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WNP510 - Odd Fellows Cemetery

Nicole: [00:00:00] It's Outside Lands San Francisco, podcast of Western Neighborhoods Project. Your weekly dose of friendly neighborhood history.

And hello Outside Landers. I, of course, am your host Nicole Meldahl.

Arnold: And I am your co-host Arnold Woods.

Nicole: And this week I have, I, I have, I'm barely a human being. So, you know, give me, give me some grace and, and pray for me, listeners, that we all get through this in one piece. Because this week we are going to get deeply odd as well. Over the years as construction work happened on properties in the Lone Mountain area, occasionally there was a, well, a grisly find. Like coffins and human remains. Not exactly what you would expect from land in the middle of a big [00:01:00] city, Arnold.

Arnold: No. And maybe many of you know this already, but for the better part of a century, Lone Mountain was ringed by cemeteries. The location was selected to bury San Francisco's dead because it was way outside of city limits back in the 1850s and early 1860s, when the first graves were dug there.

Nicole: And yes, we have covered this subject before. Many of you already know that. One of our early podcasts, episode number 41, back in the year 2013, was on the cemeteries of the Inner Richmond. But it was a short podcast as they so often were back in ye olden podcast times at Western Neighborhoods Project. And we're taking a deeper look now, which is a cemetery pun. I don't know if you caught that one, Arnold.

Arnold: Hilarious. So, to the north of Lone Mountain was Laurel Hill Cemetery, originally known as Lone Mountain Cemetery. It was dedicated in [00:02:00] 1854 and covered in podcast number 92 way back in 2014. To the east of the mountain was Calvary Cemetery, which was purchased by the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Francisco back in 1860. On the south side was Masonic Cemetery, established in 1864 by the, you guessed it, the Masons. Which is a fraternal organization and you can learn more about the Masonic Cemetery in episode number 354.

Nicole: And you know not to be outdone, another fraternal organization established a cemetery to the north and west of Lone Mountain’s peak. But that one opened in 1865 and was created by the curiously named Independent Order of Odd Fellows. So guess what history friends? Maybe you are with us and you already know where we're going, but we're gonna take you on a walk through the Odd Fellows Cemetery. Now Arnold, are you with me?

Arnold: I am, but [00:03:00] wait!

Nicole: Oh, no.

Arnold: Before we get to the cemetery, who were these Odd Fellows? Well, the origins of the organization and its name are shrouded in some mystery. While there are claims that the Odd Fellows date back to the era of Roman emperors, the evidence doesn't quite support this information. However, throughout the Middle Ages there was a rise of trade guilds. Stone masons, metal workers, locksmiths, et cetera, all formed organizations to advance their interests. So, it seems likely that the Odd Fellows got a similar start as a guild.

Nicole: I gotta tell you, Arnold, I never thought we would be talking about the Middle Ages on a podcast about the Western neighborhoods in San Francisco.

Arnold: I think that’s a first here.

Nicole: It might be. It, it, it might be, it might be. Let us know devoted listeners if we're wrong on that. So, okay. The first Odd Fellows Lodge was organized in London in 1730. Is it, [00:04:00] might also be the first time that we're in London. Maybe not.

Arnold: We have been in Europe before. I know that.

Nicole: That's true. That’s true. We took it around. So, while the basis for the name is not clearly known now, the leading theory is that the Odd Fellows were made up of trades with less numbers. So, you know, odd trades. And they banded together to have a larger group and enough financial clout to accomplish their goals.

Arnold: It appears there were some splinter Odd Fellow groups, but they joined forces in 1780 as the Grand United Order of Odd Fellows Friendly Society.

Nicole: Love it.

Arnold: Great name. The, this group opted to be specifically non-political and non-religious, while vowing to promote the welfare and harmony of all of its members. It continued to grow in the 18th and 19th centuries, spreading out across the world.

Nicole: You know, Arnold, that sounds a lot like Western Neighborhoods Project. Do you think we're gonna have a global following?

Arnold: Well, I think we already do, cause we have Australia. We have [00:05:00] someplace in Europe, I know.

Nicole: That's true.

Arnold: So, we're already worldwide.

Nicole: We're huge in Australia. So, in 1819, Thomas Wildey established the first American Odd Fellows group in Baltimore, calling themselves the Independent Order of Odd Fellows. Which is not as cool of a name as the Grand United Order of Odd Fellows Friendly Society. They originally were chartered by the English Odd Fellows, but became independent in 1842 while still maintaining friendly relations with their British counterparts. So, you know, no tea party revolution here, folks. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's very much an amicable, not no taxation without representation situation.

Arnold: And this is post-War of 1812. So hopefully by that time, The English-American relations were pretty good.

Nicole: Now we're talking about the Revolutionary War, which also has to be a first for the podcast.

Arnold: Anyways, just seven years later in [00:06:00] 1849, the American Odd Fellows charted California Lodge number 1 in San Francisco. James Smiley organized the lodge securing a sufficient number of members for charter and receiving official recognition on September 9th, 1849. Does that date seem familiar to you?

Nicole: A little. Why? Why is that Arnold?

Arnold: One, exactly one year later on September 9^th, 1850, California was admitted to the union.

Nicole: Okay, so this is around before California is even part of the United States.

Arnold: That's correct.

Nicole: Wild. So, for members of California Lodge 1, there was an initiation fee of $50 and $10 dues paid each quarter. And that allowed a lodge to assist less fortunate members. They had spent over $100,000 earlier in 1849 helping the needy, and these were not insignificant amounts of money back then. I mean, these aren't insignificant amounts of money now. Well, $50 a year [00:07:00] is also the price for WNP membership, so maybe I need to roll that back. And also remember, this is when many failed prospectors from the Gold Rush were returning to San Francisco. So, there's a lot of need for community support here in the community.

Arnold: I initially thought I must have read it wrong when they said a hundred thousand dollars in 1849. You know, it surely wasn't that much, but that's what the sources say.

Nicole: Wow.

Arnold: Anyways, although started as a fraternal organization, on September 20th, 1851, the Odd Fellows began a woman's auxiliary called the Daughters of Rebekah, or just the Rebekahs. Thus, the Odd Fellows became the first fraternal organization to formally make space for women, albeit a not great, separate but equal basis. So definitely moving the dial forward, but not great by contemporary standards. Initially, Rebekah membership was limited to the wives and daughters of Odd Fellows, but [00:08:00] now any man or woman can apply for membership to the Odd Fellows or the Rebekahs.

Nicole: I suggest a name change to the Odd Rebekahs. But maybe that's just a me request. So, during the Civil War, Odd Fellows membership declined, but membership rebounded when the war ended with returning military members and their families joining. People needed community and they needed assistance in this post-war era. And the Odd Fellows, to accommodate everyone, needed a meeting place. So, a great old, oh, I was gonna say old Odd Fellows. They're not old. Well, some of 'em might have been old. Anyways, a great Odd Fellows Hall was built at the southwest corner of Market and Seventh Street with the cornerstone laid on May 14th, 1884.

Arnold: And we have a great picture of this on OpenSFHistory. It's a huge gothic looking, five story building with a big clock tower on the roof. But guess what? [00:09:00]

Nicole: I can't even imagine what happened to the building.

Arnold: It was, no joke, destroyed in the 1906 Earthquake and Fire, which means?

Nicole: Take a drink.

Arnold: It was replaced in 1909 with a, shall we say, less grand Odd Fellows building.

Nicole: My brain just keeps wanting to say Old Odd Fellows, so I'm sorry if I keep doing that for this entire podcast. I don't, I mean no harm by it. So, another great need for Odd Fellows members was a final resting place. With three other cemeteries at Lone Mountain, it was a logical place for the Odd Fellows to start their own cemetery out here in the wild west of San Francisco. Again, at this time, the official boundary of San Francisco literally ended at Divisidero and it wasn't until 1866 that the Outside Lands Act brought this area into city limits.

Arnold: On November 19th, 1865, the Odd Fellows [00:10:00] opened their cemetery. It was between Geary and Turk and west of Parker. At that time, public parks were few and far between, so cemeteries were developed as green spaces with park-like landscaping. In fact, people used to go take a ride out to the cemeteries, picnic during the day. That used to be a thing back in the day.

Nicole: Yeah.

Arnold: I don't imagine too many people do that today.

Nicole: No. Although I do see that out at Mountain View Cemetery in the East Bay where my, I have some family buried. And yeah, people walk their dogs and like they're just kind of hanging out and enjoying the scenery.

Arnold: I agree with that. In fact, I've done that once myself with a friend. We just went out and had a picnic.

Nicole: Yeah,

Arnold: Because you had great views there.

Nicole: And it’s kinda nice, you know, like you don't feel like, oh, I'm going to the cemetery. You're like, oh, I'm gonna the cemetery and people are living their lives.

Arnold: Anyways, we imagine that to have a similar feel to Mountain View Cemetery, as we just mentioned. So, this is really like the place to go on your weekend. [00:11:00] You know, we have what limited time you had off work then.

Nicole: Yeah.

Arnold: Take your family out to the cemetery.

Nicole: Yeah.

Arnold: And have a day.

Nicole: And then go have a drink at the Cliff House.

Arnold: There you go.

Nicole: Or one of the other roadhouses and come on back on Point Lobos Road. Done and done. So, the Odd Fellows Cemetery was funded by the sale of grave sites from which the grounds were maintained. And you didn't have to be an Odd Fellow to be buried there. Or Rebekah. Others could buy plots and some groups purchased entire sections in the cemetery. For example, there was a Greek section near the present day intersection of Stanyan and Golden Gate. And the Grand Army of the Republic, which for those who don't know, was a really big and active Civil War veterans group, purchased a plat and would hold like Memorial Day parades that started downtown and ended all the way out at the cemetery, which was a long haul,

Arnold: So naturally the cemetery was filling up fast and that meant there was less money coming [00:12:00] in from the sale of grave sites. Soon there was insufficient monies to keep the site up and the cemetery began to look, well, shall we say, a little bit seedy. The Odd Fellows therefore looked for new sources of funding and their solution in 1895, was to open a crematorium on the grounds. Then they began advertising cremation as an alternative to burial.

Nicole: I'm just imagining coming in, having lost a loved one, and them being like, hey, have you heard about this hot new trend? Get it? Because it’s…

Arnold: Yes.

Nicole: Okay. Okay. I'm just making sure we’re on the same page.

Arnold: This is all a podcast full of bad puns.

Nicole: It’s a bad pun podcast. So, of course, once someone was cremated, you might need a place to store the ashes. So, besides the crematorium, the Odd Fellows Cemetery soon opened a striking new building called the Columbarium. It was designed by architect Bernard J.S. Cahill in a neoclassical style, and featured a, a really beautiful copper [00:13:00] dome. Construction started just after Easter in 1897 and was completed around the, well around the end of the year. Just in time to be opened in early 1898. You can actually learn a whole lot more about the Columbarium, one of my favorite buildings in the West side, on podcast episode number 73.

Arnold: So, business was up with the added crematorium and Columbarium, but the cemetery soon ran into what is now a well-known, new problem. San Francisco wanted the land for the living instead of the dead. So, while Odd Fellows and its fellow Lone Mountain cemeteries started out in the, in the boonies, which is a technical real estate term there, San Francisco quickly spread westward to and past the cemeteries.

Nicole: As early as the 1880s, there were calls to move the cemeteries in order to put the land to better use. San Francisco did not say that outright though, instead sort of couching the [00:14:00] problem in terms of the potential health, health hazards of having cemeteries so close to the living population. And I started wondering, when I read these notes that Arnold put together, if those were actually real, like public health concerns, because of different burial practices of the day, or if like they were just like, ugh, dead bodies, right? Like, that can't be good for you. You should definitely not live near this.

Arnold: Well, given how many people live near cemeteries today in various parts of the world, it seems likely we would know about a health hazard at this point.

Nicole: Well, yeah, but also like, you know, the practices around how we bury our dead are maybe a little more scientific than they once were. I don't know. I don't know anything about this. I am now speaking way outside of my like knowledge base.

Arnold: Hey, there's thousands of people buried under and around the Legion of Honor.

Nicole: That’s true. We are always that, okay, good point. Yeah. Also, don't email us with specific details on how people are buried. Now I don't, [00:15:00] I cannot handle that. But, but anyways, moving on to things we do know about this subject.

Arnold: And that is, on March 26th, 1900, San Francisco supervisors passed an ordinance which prohibited burials within city limits, with a few exceptions, like the Presidio National Cemetery. This ban took effect on August 1st, 1901. The ultimate goal was the removal of almost all of the cemeteries and the Odd Fellows, well, they saw the writing on the wall. As with other groups, they looked South to Colma and purchased land there in 1904 for a new cemetery, which they named Green Lawn Cemetery.

Nicole: Yeah, but not every group gave into the inevitability of moving. So, Laurel Hill Cemetery actually sued San Francisco over its ban on burials. And get ready to get lawyered here, folks, because there's gonna be a lot of technical information coming at you in a second. He’s, Arnold's giving me the not really technical, but when I read this, my brain exploded. So, [00:16:00] I'm gonna try and read this now. The trial court gave the city a judgment on the pleadings.

Arnold: And let me just stop you there quickly. What that means is, it didn't even go to trial.

Nicole: Okay.

Arnold: The, the defense, which was the city here, made a motion to the court and said, hey, even if everything they allege is true, they lose. And the court said, you're right.

Nicole: We come across a lot of like, you know, legal whatever the right word is, and I'm always like Arnold, I don't know what this, I don't know what it is. What is this? So okay, so that happened, which was affirmed by the California Supreme Court and Laurel Hill Cemetery then asked the United States Supreme Court to intervene. So, on February 21st, 1910, the Supremes, which I laughed about so hard, calling it the Supremes, the Supremes upheld San Francisco's ban on burials, essentially stating that the city government and California Supreme Court opinions deserved great deference unless it could be shown that the reasons for the ban on burials were [00:17:00] completely wrong. I mean, well, yeah, right?

Arnold: Since evidence apparently failed to fully show that cemeteries, near residences were not health risks, the Supremes allowed the burial ban. Basically, what they were requiring is for the cemetery to prove a negative. Never an easy thing. Although today, maybe they could prove that there are no health risks from living near a cemetery.

Nicole: We dunno. We already got into this.

Arnold: Anyways, after banning burials and receiving court approval for it, the city, well, they take the next step and they start banning cremations within city limits. That happens on November 21st, 1910, which was more bad news for Odd Fellows Cemetery.

Nicole: I'm sorry I'm laughing so hard now cause I'm just imagining like Diana Ross being like, “no, no, no, no, no.” Just like delivering these motions and it's a really fun visual. [00:18:00] Anyways. Which is what the title of this podcast should be. Now a major source of new funding had gone up in flames.

Arnold: Another bad thing.

Nicole: Yeah. I'm so sorry. The city didn't begin forcing the Odd Fellows and other cemeteries to remove the deceased until the 1930s. So, you know, that's something, right. That had to have helped them. But the end was most definitely nigh. Relatives of the dead at Odd Fellows Cemetery were given notices early as 1912 to move their loved ones. And in 1932, some 26,000 graves were moved from the Odd Fellows Cemetery to Green Lawn Cemetery that we talked about earlier. But Arnold, just a quick, just a quick survey. Did San Francisco do a great job of removing all of the city's dead outside of the city?

Arnold: They never did, and we're gonna have a little piece of that coming up here.

Nicole: Okay.

Arnold: By the end of 1933, San Francisco was rapidly converting a portion of the Odd Fellows [00:19:00] Cemetery grounds into Rossi playground. So, kids are playing today probably above the dead.

Nicole: Maybe, maybe not. Maybe they're in there. Maybe they're not.

Arnold: In 1949, the Coronet Theater opened on Geary Street on a small part of the former Odd Fellows Cemetery. And other public, private, and governmental uses were made of the cemetery land, dramatically changing the landscape of the Richmond District and Anza Vista in the process.

Nicole: And now that Coronet Theater space is home to the Institute on Aging and I, in my head, I'm making a very bad joke about like…

Arnold: It's come full circle.

Nicole: Yeah. You know, like, oh, it’s like a, you know, like a farm league. Anyways, photos of the cemetery are really something, and it's hard to imagine now, but we do still have one landmark that allows us to visualize this Odd Fellows past in the present. And this, of course, is the Columbarium. It was allowed to stay and has passed through different owners over the years and eventually [00:20:00] kind of fell into disrepair, which is also hard to imagine, because…

Arnold: It was eventually purchased by the Neptune Society, which rededicated it on September 10th, 1990, and began, 1980 sorry. My eyesight isn't as good as it used to be. And they began a long, costly, but very successful restoration effort. Today, the Columbarium is both a beautiful place to visit and one of the very, very few places where you can still be laid to rest in San Francisco. And I highly recommend taking a trip out there if you haven't done it before. It is a beautiful place.

Nicole: Absolutely. And listeners, you're, you now know this is where I would like to be buried. So, when I die, you all have to help me achieve my, my dead goals. Okay. So, of course, the Columbarium is kind of hidden and some people are unaware that it's even there. So we're gonna tell you. You can find it at 1 [00:21:00] Lorraine Court, a short street off Anza, just across from Rossi Playground. And it is open most days for visits. And you can just walk right in. And if you do visit, you can pay your respects to the thousands of people once buried at and perhaps still buried at Odd Fellows Cemetery as well.

Arnold: And one final note about the cemetery. In 2016, the casket and mummified body of a small child was discovered during renovation work under a garage of a Lone Mountain house. DNA tests identified the child as Edith Howard Cook, who had been buried at Odd Fellows Cemetery in October 1876. Edith was eventually reburied at Green Lawn Memorial Park in Colma in a public cemetery. In a public ceremony, I should say. Finding a body under your garage is pretty much a Say What Now thing. But we have a real whopper for you this week in our [00:22:00] Say What Now segment.

Nicole: By whopper, Arnold means two pages of a story. So first, let us say that this is exactly the type of story that say what now is intended for. And truly, truly, it's ridiculous. Perhaps the most prominent person interred at Odd Fellows Cemetery was Charles de Young, the co-founder, with his brother Michael Henry de Young, and publisher of the San Francisco Chronicle newspaper. Perhaps you have heard of it. Charles de Young died in 1880 at the age of 35. And the story of his death is pretty wild and it begins with a man of god.

Arnold: Yeah, Isaac Smith Kalloch, I hope I'm pronouncing that right.

Nicole: Sure. Yeah.

Arnold: Was a Baptist minister and fervent advocate of the Workingman's Party in San Francisco. In 1879, the Workingman's Party put forth [00:23:00] Reverend Kalloch as a candidate for Mayor of San Francisco. However, there was another prominent San Franciscan who was supporting a different candidate. That man, of course, was Charles de Young, and he had a bully pulpit at the Chronicle. So, he used it in an attempt to drive Kalloch out of the mayor's race. Among other things, de Young accused Kalloch of having an affair.

Nicole: Ohhh.

Arnold: Kalloch had been actually charged with adultery years before in Boston, but he was acquitted of those charges.

Nicole: Unfortunately, Kalloch responded in kind, accusing de Young's mother Amelia of running a brothel. More specifically, Kalloch said that de Young was, and I quote, oh my God, okay, and I quote, “the bastard progeny of a whore born in the slums and nursed in the lap of prostitution.” End quote. [00:24:00] Oh no, Arnold, oh no, he did not just say that. That is not okay.

Arnold: Yes, he did.

Nicole: Oh. The Chronicle, of course, called Kalloch’s statement a fabrication that had originally been alleged, been alleged by an angry ex-employee in a rival newspaper, the San Francisco Sun in 1874.

Arnold: So, side note to this side note that is Say What Now, Charles de Young and the editor of the San Francisco Sun tried to settle their differences with guns. They attempted to shoot each other on Market Street, but missed each other. But in the crossfire, a young boy was hit in the leg.

Nicole: Not okay.

Arnold: The Chronicle, to make up for this, sent the kid $100 and somehow nobody went to jail.

Nicole: Can you imagine? Can you imagine that happening today?

Arnold: Yes, I can actually. Didn't we, have, well, I'm not gonna get into it. It's, that [00:25:00] gets too political.

Nicole: Oh my gosh.

Arnold: And it's the privilege of wealth, we guess.

Nicole: Yeah.

Arnold: In any event, Charles de Young was incensed by Kalloch's accusation and wasn't about to let Kalloch get away with it.

Nicole: You can't get away with that. So, on August 23rd, 1879, de Young waited in his carriage by the U.S. Mint building at Fifth and Mission for Kalloch, who had he had sent a message to. When he arrived, de Young shot Kalloch twice. Apparently, de Young was a bit of a hothead who resorted to guns when enraged. De Young did not manage to kill Kalloch, however, and the public was so enraged that the Chronicle had to station armed guards outside their building.

Arnold: So of course, Charles Young gets arrested. But he's soon released on bail. Then he hides out back East while he's awaiting trial.

Nicole: Yep.

Arnold: We would guess that his brother and the Chronicle really wanted him to be out of town to ease the tensions at their [00:26:00] office. Meanwhile, Kalloch survives! And he wins the election! So, Kalloch takes office as mayor on December 1st, 1879. When de Young returns to San Francisco in 1880 though, he immediately, immediately takes up his anti-Kalloch crusade, publishing a pamphlet, further bashing the new mayor. As Mayor, Kalloch was not in a position to respond as he had before, but there was somebody else who could.

Nicole: Oh boy. On April 23rd, 1880, Kalloch’s son, the Reverend Isaac Milton Kalloch, entered the Chronicle’s office and shot Charles de Young five times, killing him. The culmination of this escalating feud.  I mean, I, a man of the cloth. I can't believe it. Isaac was placed on trial in March 1881, but was somehow acquitted for, and I quote, “extenuating [00:27:00] circumstances.” So, we're guessing this was akin to a not guilty by reason of insanity verdict. During the trial, three witnesses were actually jailed for perjury. Or it could just be like how they let Muybridge go. And they were like, yeah, I didn't like the guy either. Kill that like, kill that, you know, fornicating person with your wife.

Arnold: He had just cause to shoot.

Nicole: Yeah.

Arnold: Charles de Young…

Nicole: Yeah. I don’t like him, anyways.

Arnold: So, as for de Young, his funeral service began at his home on Eddy Street.

Nicole: Yeah.

Arnold: Then a procession of carriages took him to his final resting place at the Odd Fellows Cemetery. De Young's widow later had a magnificent monument to her husband built at the cemetery near the entrance. Perhaps not surprisingly, considering the source, the entrance to the Odd Fellows Cemetery was later cited by the Chronicle as the “most picturesque of any of the cemeteries.” End quote.

Nicole: You know, what vibe this gives, but with, it's like, but with guns is the [00:28:00] fact that Elon Musk might be fighting…

Arnold: Zuckerberg.

Nicole: Mark Zuckerberg soon, which I don't know about you, but I'm totally here for. I wanna see that. I wanna see that match happen. But it feels like the, our 21st century version of that.

Arnold: Could be.

Nicole: But with no guns. Elon, no guns. Anyways, time for listener mail. All right, Arnold, how, how does one send us listener mail?

Arnold: Well, there are just so many ways, almost impossible to name them all. But you can send an email to podcasts@outsidelands.org. You can follow us on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook, and we will post the podcast to those places. You can post a comment there. Or you can just be listening to the podcast on our website.

Nicole: Yeah.

Arnold: And hit a, send a message or comment to it.

Nicole: Yeah.

Arnold: Right there.

Nicole: You sure can. So, several [00:29:00] podcasts back, we heard from Catie and she emailed us again. This time she said, “hi there. I was pleased to hear you talk about Beeps Burgers. When I was a kid, my family lived on Plymouth Avenue just above Holloway. Always liked Beeps. Still do. So, I think I'm the Catie mentioned in the comments about early Burning Man. I guess pre-Burning Man, there might have been summer solstice celebrations that had that flavor. Must be what I saw. Oh, and. I have donated.” So, thank you so much for emailing us, Catie, and a super-duper thank you for donating. Which is a perfect lead in to explain the benefits of membership and donating.

Arnold: And there are just so many. Nicole.

Nicole: Oh.

Arnold: We have a quarterly membership magazine, discounts on events, other exclusive perks. Those are for our members. We also have all these different things that we do that we make available for free, like the [00:30:00] OpenSFHistory.org image collection. We have the Cliff House collection, it's care and exhibition. Which was, of course, at The Museum at The Cliff at the old Cliff House.

Nicole: Good ole times.

Arnold: Yeah. It seems so long ago now.

Nicole: Yes, it does.

Arnold: And, of course, there's this podcast, which is available for free on many different platforms. And you can do all of this by simply clickity, clickity, clacking the big orange button at the top of any of our website pages, which you can find at outsidelands.org or OpenSFHistory.org. So, you can also hit a big donate button on those pages if your membership is too rich for your blood and you just want to give us like 5 or 10 bucks or something.

Nicole: Yeah.

Arnold: You can do that too. We're happy any way you wanna contribute to us.

Nicole: It's true. I have to ask, do you think the phrase clickity, clickity clack is gonna end up on my headstone?

Arnold: No, but, you know, perhaps at this point you should consider trademarking it.

Nicole: Oh, thank you lawyer Arnold Woods. Good lord, [00:31:00] if that's what I'm known for, I really need to get my stuff together. It feels like we should maybe move into announcements. So, this one's, this one's near and dear to our hearts. We, of course, lost Pat Cunneen, a longtime WNP member who shared his story with us and so much more. He, he was really an incredible part of the WNP community. A critical part of the Tales of Kelly's Cove project that was spearheaded by Woody some years ago. We wanna remember Pat the right way. So, on July 25th, which is a Tuesday, we're hosting another live podcast recording via Zoom. This one's free. Anyone can come. We'll have people in the audience sharing memories of Pat. We'll also give some of the history that we were able to record of his life and all the amazing things he did with us and in San Francisco. So, you can, you can save your spot in the Zoom room. Or [00:32:00] email us and say, I gotta be there. And, and we'll send you a Zoom link as well. So again, join us Tuesday, July 25th at 6:00 PM. We'll be recording a special memorial podcast to longtime member Pat Cunneen.

Arnold: And this is similar to what we did last year with Bill Hickey. These, we're losing too many of the icons of the West side.

Nicole: I know.

Arnold: Anyways our next history walk is going to occur Saturday, July 29^th, where architectural historian Richard Brandi, will be leading us on a tour of Ingleside Terraces, Westwood Park, and Westwood Highlands. That is, $10 for WNP members. That's one of your perks if you become a member. If you're not a member, it costs $20 and there is a limit of 30 people on this walk, so be sure to make your reservation soon.

Nicole: Whenever you see the phrase Westwood Highlands, do you think of the movie Highlander?

Arnold: I do not, but I can see that

Nicole: In which, oh, what's his name, Bond, Sean Connery is [00:33:00] supposed to be Spanish, but doesn't change his accent at all.

Arnold: Right.

Nicole: Anyways, Sean Connery in a film about Scotland is supposed to be Spanish. Anyways, moving on. We've got another Zoom event, this time on the history of Fort Point. And John Martini, who just did that great San Francisco Then and Now Zoom program, is back with us. That's Thursday, August 3rd. And you won't wanna miss this. It's gonna be a super fun event. So, the Zoom program is free, but donations are very much encouraged, so that we can pay John a fraction of what he is worth.

Arnold: Yeah, that last one he did, the Then and Now thing was just super fun. So, I encourage everybody to come see this one as well. And, as always, you can find all of these events, maybe more by the time you listen to this.

Nicole: Maybe.

Arnold: On our website outsidelands.org/events. We are adding events all the time, so be sure to join over 300 followers of our Eventbrite and join our monthly email list on outsidelands.org so you can be the very first to know [00:34:00] when a new event is live because there will be more events being posted soon.

Nicole: Oh yeah. Like one I totally forgot is save the date and the registration link might be posted by the time this podcast airs. August 1^st, it's a Tuesday I think, and we will be at Specs in North Beach, my favorite bar of all time. And Chelsea and I are leading another Fort Point Company Neighborhood Trivia night. So, you don't wanna miss that. It's free. But I think the venue only seats about 50, and we're gonna go way over that. So get there early, register and then get there early, please.

Arnold: Yeah, last one we did at the Little Shamrock, the Little Shamrock was just jam packed with people.

Nicole: And Chelsea and I are gonna be better at trivia now. So, it will be an improved experience in a place that I have a lot of embarrassing personal anecdotes to share about. I don't know if that will like make people not come, but anyways.

Arnold: So, this brings us to the end of our podcast about the Odd [00:35:00] Fellow Cemetery.

Nicole: Yes.

Arnold: We hope you've enjoyed it. And Nicole, do we have a preview for next week?

Nicole: Well, we already talked about it a little bit Arnold, but we'll be remembering the inimitable Pat Cunneen as part of a live podcast recording. So, until that next time, I'm Nicole Meldahl.

Arnold: And I'm Arnold Woods.

Nicole: And this has been another episode of Outside Lands San Francisco. Thanks for being with us history friends.

Ian: Outside Lands San Francisco is recorded by Ian Hadley. Content creation and media production at ihadley.com.

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