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WNP452 - The SNACK at Kezar

Nicole: [00:00:00] It’s Outside Lands San Francisco, podcast of the Western Neighborhoods Project. I'm Nicole Meldahl.

Arnold: And I’m Arnold Woods.

Nicole: Hey Arnold.

Arnold: Hey Nicole.  Hey, you know what?

Nicole: How it going?

Arnold: I'm hungry. Do you have a snack for me?

Nicole: Oh, you know what? Hold on. I've got a whole podcast right here for you.

Arnold: Yes. Beginning our podcast with stupid jokes. This is the way to go.

Nicole: I mean it is on brand for Western Neighborhoods Project. Let's be honest.

Arnold: Absolutely.

Nicole: Well Arnold, what are we talking about here today?

Arnold: Well, we're going in a rock and roll area today.

Nicole: Ooh.

Arnold: Yeah.  Rock and roll, you know, it's been used as a long time for raising funds for various worthy causes. At the concert for Bangladesh in [00:01:00] 1971. Live Aid in 1985. Even Neil Young's local Bridge School concerts. Music has long brought people together to support noble but underfunded causes. Here in San Francisco, one of the very earliest such benefits brought together a whole bunch of local rock and roll royalty to ensure local schools got their sports, music and arts education funded.

Nicole: Yeah, absolutely. And so, maybe you've already guessed with our dad joke lead in, but we're, of course, talking about the SNACK concert held at Kezar Stadium on March 23rd, 1975. So happy SNACK anniversary, everybody.

Arnold: You know, the, this, the whole thing started when the San Francisco School Board, in January 1975, was facing budget issues and they announced what they called a school emergency.

Nicole: Uh oh.

Arnold: The [00:02:00] superintendent, Steven Morena, stated that he had agonized over whether to recommend certain budget cuts, but that it would be necessary to cut various programs.

Nicole: So, the Board of Education then voted to recommend the following cuts and buckle up listeners, cause there's a bunch of them. 1975, not a great year for school budgets.

Arnold: I feel so sorry for the kids back then.

Nicole: I mean, I feel so sorry for kids every now, every time I think about all their schooling and things like that. But, okay, so we've got let me see about eight different things that we were going to be eliminating in 1975. Number one, the elimination of school book and supply purchases for the rest of the year, which would've saved a whopping $535,000, because kids don't need books or supplies for school, right?

Arnold: Definitely not.

Nicole: Number two, elimination of all extracurricular activities like drama and music for junior high students in the spring [00:03:00] semester, saving only nineteen grand.

Arnold: Apparently that wasn't a big expense to begin with.

Nicole: Also, junior high is like peak drama kid like time. You can't take that away from kids.

Arnold: And you got those, you know, junior high bands, you know. You know, that's a, there's a big band culture.

Nicole: Yeah, absolutely. I was the lead in my junior high play. I was a, the liberated Cinderella. And yes, that VHS still exists somewhere. It sure does. Okay. Number three, elimination of spring term field trips, saving $25,000. I have a lot of questions about how this money is getting allocated. Number four, elimination of spring term interscholastic and intramural sports, saving a whopping $200,000.

Arnold: Now we see where their budget was being spent on these.

Nicole: Ooh.

Arnold: That's a lot of money that they're saving [00:04:00] with that.

Nicole: That's a lot of uniforms and balls.

Arnold: And that's also, yeah, it, there's a ton of sports teams at every junior high and high school and eliminating that just had to be killer. I mean, that's spring, that's baseball, softball. Yeah, other sports. Track and field.

Nicole: Yeah, absolutely. So number five, this one sounds like a bad idea too. Deferment of school maintenance, unless student or staff safety would be an issue, saving $180,000.

Arnold: Seems to me that, you know, you might not know that safety's an issue until the failure happens.

Nicole: Well, this is around the same time that they were going through and assessing all of the different schools for earthquake safety and this is when we lose a lot of the original, like 19-teens buildings. So, I believe that the schools were in need of some deep maintenance issues that probably should not be overlooked. Okay, so number six, elimination of overtime, [00:05:00] saving only $15,000. Number seven, reassessment of disaster insurance to reduce premium, saving a hundred thousand dollars. Also sounds like a terrible idea.

Arnold: That sounds to me like they are like reducing the amount of coverage so they pay smaller premiums and therefore if, you know, the disaster happened, they'd have real problems.

Nicole: Awesome idea. And in a place that's earthquake prone. And then finally, number eight, moving $700,000 from a district's special reserve fund for building new schools into the district's general fund, which doesn't seem like a bad idea actually.

Arnold: That just means they're not gonna get the new schools anytime soon at that point.

Nicole: Wah, wah, wah.

Arnold: And, you know, despite all these cuts, the district still faced a budget shortfall, which they hoped Sacramento would help alleviate by voting for additional funds for state schools because of inflation. This school emergency [00:06:00] wasn't exactly a surprise because it had been pretty much expected since the prior summer, when the Board of Education approved a budget that was about $9 million less than the expected revenues. Those cuts were approved by all board members except for one who held out, but obviously lost.

Nicole: So they knew this was happening, and they were like, we're just gonna sit on this. Maybe it'll get.

Arnold: Guess so.

Nicole: Oh man. I never wanna be on any kind of school board, board of supervisors, anything. Don't, I don't want that job. Okay. So, this is a big problem, right? What are you gonna do about this big problem? Well, local music promoter, Bill Graham was dismayed at all the programs being cut. So, he decided to do something about it. On February 10th, 1975, he announced that he would mount a benefit extravaganza at Kezar Stadium to raise money so that the San Francisco Unified School District could keep its sports and extracurricular programs. The ticket [00:07:00] prize for the concert was initially announced at, are you ready for this Arnold?

Arnold: Indeed.

Nicole: A whopping $2.

Arnold: Well, way too expensive to go to.

Nicole: Though Graham stated that he believed the attendees would donate additional monies during the all-day show. So, this is a classic like fundraising technique, right? Like lure them in and then prey on their good nature once they're in the stadium.

Arnold: And besides these musicians, Graham also declared that the, quote, “whole range of the entertainment world would be represented.”

Nicole: Ooh.

Arnold: He specifically mentioned people like Rick Barry, John Brodie, organizations like the San Francisco Ballet and Opera. At that time, it was unclear if he had already secured commitments from these people or organizations, or was just hopeful. Mayor Joseph Alioto, who joined Graham for the announcement, pledged $10,000 of his own money toward the cause though.

Nicole: I mean, that's [00:08:00] also like one of those organizing tactics where you start saying, oh yeah, so-and-so signed on. Then you go to the next big act, right, and you say, well, you know, so-and-so’s gonna be there, so you should probably be there too. So, besides Graham's show, our favorite district supervisor, Quentin Kopp, had started a Save Our School Sports contribution fund. On the same day of Graham's announcement, Kopp stated that he had received about $2,000 for his school fund and was planning several sports related fundraising events.

Arnold: So nice that several people are getting involved in saving the school sports.

Nicole: It's true.

Arnold: A little while later on February 19th, 1975, Graham announced that the show, which he was now dubbing, the SNACK Concert, would be held on Sunday, March 23rd, 1975. SNACK was an acronym. It stood for Students Need Athletics, Culture and Kicks. I wonder how much time was spent vetting the name there? [00:09:00]

Nicole: Probably not that long.

Arnold: And although he had initially announced that $2 ticket price, he now was saying it was gonna cost $5, so they could raise even more money and save more programs. When he announced the initial lineup, it included Jefferson Starship, Santana, Joan Baez with her sister Mimi Farina, Jerry Garcia and Friends, Tower of Power, and Graham Central Station. And then he also announced the celebrities that had committed included Willie Mays, John Brodie, Frankie Albert, Jesse Owens, Rosie Casals, and Glide Church Reverend Cecil Williams. Graham also promised that he was not done booking for the event.

Nicole: So, he estimated that the proceeds of the show would be about $250,000, which he said would be earmarked to save the after school athletic programs and some other extracurricular [00:10:00] activities.

Arnold: You know, not saving everything there.

Nicole: Yeah. He's like, I'm only saving, I'm only saving the things I'm interested in. Graham claimed that the, this list of bands and celebrities was just the beginning, and then there would be many more by the time the show opens. Will, to his credit, Willie Mays, Jerry Garcia and Carlos Santana did all show up for the press conference to announce the line up, so that lent some credence to his claims.

Arnold: Meanwhile, the school district's Director of Physical Education, Armen Terzian. I may have pronounced that wrong. announced that the district's athletic coaches had voted unanimously to continue coaching whether or not they received their $7.95 per hour overtime pay for coaching the teams.

Nicole: Awesome.

Arnold: Awesome that they would do that. Shows how much they are committed to their kids. The statement acknowledged the tremendous support from the communities to save the sports program, but asked that the board ensure that the problem [00:11:00] not continuing in the following year. So, they're willing to give up that overtime for the spring semester there, but they didn't wanna keep doing it the next year.

Nicole: Yeah, that’s legit. I think that's a totally legit thing to say. So soon Graham brought the news that the Doobie Brothers and the Miracles had been added to the bill. And Graham wasn't even done yet. In early March 1975, he announced that Neil Young would appear backed by two members of the Band, Levon Helm and Rick Danko and Ben Keith, the pedal steel guitarist who frequently worked with Young. Now. Now I'm interested Arnold, cause this is the band that I really like. Well, Jefferson Starship too, I'm into. So, within three weeks, all tickets for the SNACK benefit at Kezar Stadium had been totally sold.

Arnold: You know, I would've been almost 13 years old then. Unfortunately I didn't live here. Cause I would've found my way out to Kezar if I did by, at [00:12:00] that time to see that show. There's a lot of bands on that bill I wanna see. Anyway, with the concert sold out, Graham sweetened the pot by selling the radio simulcasting rights to K101 for $12,000.

Nicole: Smart.

Arnold: Yeah. And with some possibility of rain in March cause, you know, it used to happen back then, it was announced ahead of time that the SNACK show would happen, rain or shine, because it would be impossible to get the roster of artists together on another day. And those familiar with Kezar know that there are no covered areas for fans to wait out bad weather there. So you, if it rained, you were gonna get drenched.

Nicole: So less than a week before the show, Graham got into a tiff with city officials. A clerk for City supervisor Robert Mendelsohn had sent a letter to Graham on behalf of all the supervisors stating that they were, and I quote, “delighted to learn of Graham's generous contribution to the Save Our [00:13:00] School sports” program. Now, Graham was not involved with Kopp’s Save Our School Sports efforts, so he returned the letter from the supervisors with a lengthy, somewhat angry note, stating that, essentially wondering what rock they had been living under that they had just learned about his efforts, which had received a lot of media attention prior, in the prior month. And this might be the only time when Quentin Kopp was sent an angry, annoyed letter, instead of the other way around.

Arnold: After its receipt though, Mendelsohn claimed that the quote, “delighted to learn” language was just a common phrase not to be taken literally, and that the confusion between Graham's and Kopp’s campaigns was a clerical error. For his part, Kopp did not react angrily. He simply commented that he could have been miffed over the confusion between his and Graham's fundraising efforts, but he was just happy that Graham or anyone [00:14:00] was working to keep the school programs going.

Nicole: We're referencing the fact that Quentin Kopp has a long history of sending miffed letters to people. In fact, there's a whole podcast about it by Peter Hartlaub and Heather Knight with the San Francisco Chronicle. Anyways, okay, so finally the big day arrives, right? Sunday, March 23rd, 1975. There's a full capacity crowd of 60,000, and I quote, “young people,” as the Chronicle described it, came to Kezar to rock out. At 9:00 AM, because what better time to start rocking out than 9:00 AM, the Eddie Palmieri Orchestra hit the stage to warm the crowd up with some Latin salsa music. Actually, that is a really good opener. Kind of gets you moving, gets you awake.

Arnold: Yeah.

Nicole: They were followed by the funky sounds of Graham Central Station, who played one of the longer sets of the day, because the Miracles were unable [00:15:00] to make it there after their flight was canceled. Sounds a lot like Outside Lands.

Arnold: Very much.

Nicole: Much of the Grateful Dead, billed as Jerry Garcia and Friends, finish out the morning music. David Crosby had planned to perform with the Dead, but his, you know, his wife gave birth to a daughter the day before, so he canceled, which I think is legitimate.

Arnold: I think we can give them that.

Nicole: Yeah.

Arnold: These music sets were generally about a half hour each. And then while the crew was setting up each performer's equipment, the celebrities took to the stage to make further appeals for donations.

Nicole: Ooh.

Arnold: So, on the day of this SNACK concert, those celebrities included a number of San Francisco 49er greats, including John Brodie, Frankie Albert, Cedric Hartman, and Gene Washington. Washington told the crowd that he had, quote, “never witnessed this kind of enthusiasm in this stadium for any event.”

Nicole: To be clear, the 49ers used to play at Kezar. [00:16:00]

Arnold: Although by that time they were playing at Candlestick. But yeah, that's a kind of a slam on 49er fans, I think. Anyway, the biggest ovation of the day went to San Francisco Giants superstar, Willie Mays.

Nicole: Yeah.

Arnold: Who was then only a year and a half into his retirement. But then the surprise celebrity showed up and that was Marlon Brando. He came in to urge the crowd with a, what was called a colorful speech to donate to Native Americans. Brando said he was also donate, donating $5,000 to the SNACK cause.

Nicole: God bless that crazy man who fought for a good cause.

Arnold: This is like only a few years after he didn't show up for the Oscars and sent a Native American there to refuse to accept it, because of the treatment of Native Americans.

Nicole: Brando is one of my favorite celebrities who did not give A-F. Like, he just like lived his life and was like, hi, I'm Marlon Brando. Anyways [00:17:00] so Tower of Power, then still breaking in new lead singer Hubert Tubbs, kicked off the music in the afternoon. Next came Santana and his sizzling guitar followed by the Doobie Brothers. The Examiner’s Philip Elwood, declared the Doobies to be the, and I quote, “hands down best during the long concert,” because they had a number of top 40 hits and generate, and I quote again, “gut level enthusiasm.” Yeah, you know what? It's been a long time since I've experienced gut level enthusiasm. It's mostly just up here in my chest.

Arnold: It seems to me that some of these other bands that were appearing might have also done the same thing.

Nicole: Yeah, Jefferson Starship, then riding high with their recently released Miracles single, appeared next, and were another big favorite with the mostly teenage crowd.

Arnold: As they moved into the late afternoon, early evening, Joan Baez took to the stage with her signature folk music sound. [00:18:00] And then we got to the final act of the day, which was Neil Young with, as you declared earlier, members of The Band. But they had an even bigger surprise in store for the crowd. Joining them on stage was Bob Dylan, whose appearance had been heavily rumored to be fair. This All-Star group did renditions of Young’s, Helpless, Dylan's Knocking on Heaven's Door, and closed the night with a rendition of the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band’s Will the Circle Be Unbroken. The entire day ran smoothly and police were impressed by the lack of issues caused by this large crowd. And I, we should note at this point that our own favorite photographer, Greg Gaar was there. And we have pictures of the SNACK concert up on our OpenSFHistory website.

Nicole: I'll say now I'm jealous because I'm a huge Bob Dylan fan, even though his autobiography left something less than desired. But that's okay. Shortly before the SNACK benefit, San Francisco schools [00:19:00] discover, crazy, just a extra $2.1 million in funds. So, there was some doubt on the day of the show where the monies raised would actually go. How do you misplace two million dollars? Like what room in city hall did they open? And they were like, oh, actually here's a, here's bags of money.

Arnold: The reports at the time were a little deficient in telling us where they found that money.

Nicole: Oh my gosh. Well, anyways, Graham, Graham said that was a, and I quote, “strange mistake,” but that the money would be deposited into a benefit fund until the performers decided what to do with it. Ultimately, though, the proceeds did go to the school district for athletics and arts programs.

Arnold: It was after a meeting with Mayor Alioto and school district officials that Graham was satisfied that the money was, in fact, still needed, but required that, this is his requirement, required that the city [00:20:00] provide monthly reports on how the funds were being spent.

Nicole: Yeah. That's how you know Graham's a businessman.

Arnold: Right. Alioto stated afterwards that he asked Graham to consider establishing a summer rock and roll festival in the city. Now Graham actually did that. But not in the city because he was running these Day on the Green shows over in the Oakland Coliseum. But here we are a little over 25 years later, or more than that now. Actually, we're getting close to 50 years later. We have not won, but two annual summer music festivals in Golden Gate Park that still can continue today.

Nicole: Yeah. One of them is staged by a nonprofit and the other one is staged by the most, not for, not nonprofit, I think of all time. Oh, I shouldn't say that. Outside Lands does have, does have a philanthropic arm that you can apply for various like education and [00:21:00] music funds. Although I still haven't figured out how to apply for that. So if you know, you guys call us cause I've been trying to figure out who to email for a while. Well thank you Arnold. You are the music man of Western Neighborhoods Project and this is the perfect reason to have you lead a podcast today. So, thanks for being here.

Arnold: I always enjoy the music and I’m so disappointed that I was not old enough and not here enough to have gone to this show.

Nicole: I too am disappointed. I wasn't born yet. Add it to the list.

Arnold: Would've been a little difficult for you to make it.

Nicole: My parents also weren't big music festival folks. My mom was like a fake hippie, you know, where she was like, oh, I smoke some grass sometimes and I like to date musicians, but only in a way where I know it's bad for me and it just upsets my parents. And my dad decidedly was like not a hippie, so never really got into it. Although he did love Elvis Presley. [00:22:00] Anyways, moving on.

Arnold: Pretty sure my parents were not really into that kind of a scene. Although I do know my mother went to see Elvis Presley back in the ‘50s. So.

Nicole: Well, you know, I have the most disgusting scarf from one of Elvis's concerts that my dad said. He like beat an old up an old lady for.

Arnold: Good for your dad.

Nicole: Yeah. I love bringing that thing out. And people are like, oh, that's what, that's it. Cause it's just like covered in sweat, you know? It's not attractive.

Arnold: You might have Elvis's DNA, you could clone him.

Nicole: You know, maybe that's gonna be the secret to making me rich because my nonprofit salary certainly isn't gonna do it. Alright, Arnold, what time is it now?

Arnold: Say What Now? Is that what comes next?

Nicole: It sure is. Arnold, we're still working out this section. [00:23:00] But anyways Arnold, what is the Say What Now for this podcast?

Arnold: Well, this involves another SNACK concert or, I'm sorry, another Kezar concert.

Nicole: Oh.

Arnold: Not another SNACK, another Kezar concert.

Nicole: Oh no.

Arnold: This one occurred three years earlier on June 2nd, 1972. It was a Led Zeppelin and Grateful Dead show at Kezar. Another one I wish I could have attended because, and not so much, I'm not so much a Deadhead, but Led Zeppelin, I would've killed to have seen back then.

Nicole: For sure.

Arnold: Anyways, that was another Bill Graham show, and he asked the Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic to staff a medical care tent at this concert. And they did. And that was the beginning of RockMed, which today still provides medical services at many local music venues.

Nicole: Why doesn't Outside Lands have them do the medical tent at Outside Lands? [00:24:00] Do they and I just haven't paid attention?

Arnold: I don't know. I don't know who does the medical tents there.

Nicole: Interesting.

Arnold: We should check that out this year when we go.

Nicole: Just go up to them and be like, excuse me, are you, are you historical?

Arnold: Well, I, we should consider ourselves fortunate that we have not required medical care when we have gone to Outside Lands.

Nicole: Oh, so true. I think they're almost exclusively focused on kids who have taken too many drugs or are dehydrated from drinking too much.

Arnold: Right.

Nicole: Which next year, every year I go, every year I'm like, I'm not gonna eat a bunch of weird stuff and drink a bunch of weird cocktails. And every year I do it anyways. And it's not great. Anyways, this podcast is now called Anyways with Western Neighborhoods Project. Now it's time for listener mail. Arnold, how does one send us listener mail? [00:25:00]

Arnold: Well, as we repeat every week on this podcast, you send an email to podcast@outsidelands.org.

Nicole: You can also hit us up on Facebook, cause that's what Arnold manages or Instagram, which is what I manage, and it, the message will get where it needs to go.

Arnold: Absolutely.

Nicole: Oh, or also Twitter, because Arnold's up on there too. So, in response to podcast episode number 448 on Presidential Visits to Land's End, our dear friend David said, “love the comedy stylings. Arnold sets the table elegantly, and then the two ladies deliver the punchlines. Where else are you gonna hear podcasts that use the words like vibes, karma, yellow fever, drunk history, and my favorite, festoon! Thanks for the latest history lesson. So glad to be one of the 10 people that listen to these.”

Arnold: [00:26:00] I'm gonna have to re-listen to that podcast to see if all those words were actually said during it. I assume they were, but I don't remember all of them.

Nicole: I mean, I think yellow fever definitely. And we do tend to say vibes a lot,

Arnold: That's true.

Nicole: Also, we're generally drunk while telling this history, so it all tracks.

Arnold: We also received in response to episode 451, which is our Bill Hickey Remembrance podcast, we were truly honored to hear from his daughter Amber. She said, quote, “that was a great podcast. Thank you so much for honoring my dad. I just wanted to share that he was an amazing and very dedicated single father to us girls. My sister and I were always his,” in big letters. “PRIORITY. He was also known as the neighborhood father, because he would take all our friends with us on all sorts of excursions. Anyway, he was an amazing [00:27:00] father, a grandpa, father-in-law, son, brother, and the list goes on. Thank you again.” That's very nice of Amber to relate that to us.

Nicole: Yeah. Super sweet. And remember that there is an in-person Paddle Out a Memorial for Bill Hickey on April 24th at 11:30 AM at Kelly's Cove. So, I hope we see you all there. Okay, Arnold, now that we've read listener mail, it's time to list all of the incredible benefits of membership and donating.

Arnold: There are so many of them. It's impossible to get them all in, but there's the quarterly membership magazine. There's discounts on events and other perks. And your membership supports all the good work that we're doing, and we make available for free to people including, OpenSFHistory, the Cliff House collection, the podcast. We're even now sort [00:28:00] of running the Cliff House Project website. All of this is supported by your support.

Nicole: Yeah, we don't wanna charge you for your history because your history should be free, and we can only do that if you donate. So clickety, clickety, clack the big orange buttons at the top of our website. You can either become a member or just send us money. And then if you send us $50 or over, I will email you anyways and say, you know, you qualify for membership. Why don't you let me sign you up for annual membership? So just sign up for the annual membership to begin with, so you don't have to make me email you. Okay.

Arnold: $50 to have Nicole not email you.

Nicole: Yeah. You know what, that's a pretty good going rate.

Arnold: It's a deal.

Nicole: I'll pay you $50 not to email me as well, Anyways. No, that's not true. Please don't email me. I will not pay you $50 not to email me. I don't have that.

Arnold: Well, but see if they [00:29:00] email you to ask you to pay them not to email you, then they've already emailed you, so they're ineligible to get their $50.

Nicole: This podcast is truly off the rails now. Okay, Arnold, maybe we should segue into announcements.

Arnold: Let's do it.

Nicole: That's a big announcement.

Arnold: Yes, the big one. The gala is happening this year. Save your date for Sunday, May 15th. It'll be at the Presidio Golf Club again, and it has a Playland at the Beach theme. Early bird tickets are on sale now for $175 until March 31st. After which time it'll jump to $225. So, get your early bird tickets. You only have a few days left to do that. Go to outsidelands.org/gala.

Nicole: Yeah, save the date to be my date, cause I don't think I'm gonna be able to talk my boyfriend to come in, come into this. So, [00:30:00] oh god, we're gonna get some weird emails now.

Arnold: Indeed.

Nicole: And if you're listening to this on the day we posted it, Saturday, March 26th, you can come join us at the Ingleside Fest happening today at the Ingleside Branch Library. We'll be there from noon to 3:00 PM. So, we hope to see you and, by we, we literally mean Arnold and myself. We'll be there. We'll be sharing some neighborhood history. There's gonna be food and drinks, all kinds of fun stuff. It should be a really fun afternoon, so we hope we see you later.

Arnold: Hey, you know, show up and give us your direct input on the podcast directly to us.

Nicole: Only if it’s nice.

Arnold: True enough.

Nicole: I don't wanna get in-person, negative feedback.

Arnold: You know, we also have The Museum at The Cliff. It's only open for three more weekends and we'll close on April 10th. We've been asked to extend our time and we have submitted a proposal to expand taking over the entire restaurant space, because the art exhibit next door will be closing.

Nicole: Already closed, I think. [00:31:00]

Arnold: Eh, this weekend, isn't it?

Nicole: Oh, this weekend. This weekend. Sure. Oops, sorry, Forsight.

Arnold: Anyways, if our proposal is accepted, and maybe it has been by the time this airs, since we record this in advance.

Nicole: Woo.

Arnold: Then we plan to reopen with even more history at your disposal on Memorial Day weekend. So, keep your fingers crossed that that happens.

Nicole: And speaking of the Cliff House, I'll be giving a lecture all about the whole Cliff House saga. Right? We've got, from the fundraising to the programming, to me being best friends with John and Alex, and us getting the massive Cliff House collection that continues to surprise and delight us. This, our friends at the San Francisco History Association have asked me to speak about all this on a Zoom lecture on Tuesday, March 29th at 7:00 PM. So, I hope I'll see you there. We're not running the RSVP process for this, so you'll have to email info@sanfranciscohistory.org to [00:32:00] reserve your spot. And I, it is free, but you do have to register in advance because that, that's how you get the Zoom link.

Arnold: And you should absolutely do that and hear the whole story because we haven't told it since, a month?

Nicole: Yeah. Podcast listeners have probably heard it 4 billion times by now, but you know, I'll be doing it with my signature enthusiasm.

Arnold: Absolutely.

Nicole: So Arnold, what is our preview for next week?

Arnold: Well pack your lunch, Nicole, because we are going back to, not high school, but junior high.

Nicole: Ooh.

Arnold: To figure out why and how we have a school name for Herbert Hoover on San Francisco's West side.

Nicole: Yeah. Nobody's favorite president. I'll see you then Arnold.

Arnold: Bye.

Ian: Outside Lands San Francisco is recorded by Ian Hadley. Content creation and media production at ihadley.com.

Nicole: To [00:33:00] learn more about the Western Neighborhoods Project and more on San Francisco history, go to Outsidelands.org. You can also find us on social media at Facebook, which is outsidelands with an S, at Twitter, which is outsidelandz with a Z, and on Instagram, which is outsidelandz, also with a Z. And check out our historic San Francisco images website at OpenSFHistory.org.