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Outside Lands Podcast Episode 317R: Quigley Family (Repodcast)

William Hammond Hall and John McLaren are the names that come to mind when talking about how Golden Gate Park was created, but let us introduce you to the Quigleys, who were in charge of much of the construction in this classic episode.
by Nicole Meldahl - May 13, 2023

Outside Lands Podcast Episode 317R: Quigley Family (Repodcast) Outside Lands Podcast Episode 317R: Quigley Family (Repodcast)

(above) Kezar & 3rd Ave, circa 1928

View looking east on Kezar Drive from 3rd Ave. Golden Gate Park at left, Kezar Stadium behind trees at right. [DPW A2045a]
DPW Horace Chaffee


Podcast Transcription

WNP317R – Quigley Family

Nicole: [00:00:00] The following is a classic episode of Outside Lands San Francisco. Dates mentioned in this week's podcast pertained to past events only.

Woody: It's Outside Lands San Francisco, the podcast of the Western Neighborhoods Project. I'm Woody LaBounty.

David: And I'm David Gallagher.

Nicole: And I'm Nicole Meldahl.

Angus: Am I supposed to say I'm Angus Macfarlane?

Woody: No, but you can. That's all right. David, Nicole, we have a special guest here today.

David: I heard! It's Angus Macfarlane!

Woody: I said last…

David: He’s back.

Woody: I know. I said last week we're gonna have a special guest introduce us to the makers of Golden Gate Park, and I'm sure everybody thought this is gonna be Angus Macfarlane coming back.

David: Yeah.

Woody: Or not.

David: And it's funny, you know, we, we, we talked to Christina Moretta last week, and she said that I wasn't really a regular at the History Center. I was an "irregular" regular.

Woody: Yeah.

David: And Angus Macfarlane, on the other hand, is a regular at the History Center. He's there all the time.

Woody: Yeah.

Angus: [00:01:00] My home away from home.

Woody: Yeah. I think of you as one of the City's great researchers, Angus, and so we're very happy to have you today as a guest because we're gonna talk about, I think, a subject that I would say 99.99% of San Franciscans are unfamiliar with.

Angus: That's being very generous.

Woody: And I, but I think it's a really cool story and a really interesting family, and they should know about it. So, I said, you know, makers of Golden Gate Park, and I think if you asked a historian who's responsible for Golden Gate Park? They might say John McLaren, because he was superintendent for so long.

David: William Hammond Hall, maybe, who laid it out, I think. Right?

Woody: Well, who was the first superintendent and so had such a big impact. But Angus, you've convinced me over the years at least that another family or a group of men who lived in Golden Gate Park are maybe more responsible.

Angus: Well, you make it sound like a bunch of squatters are doing their civic payback for sleeping in the bushes by doing [00:02:00] something good for Golden Gate Park. But we're kind of getting a jump on next year's 150th anniversary celebration that I'm sure they're gonna be calling up the names and the spirits of John McLaren and William Hammond Hall and the other people associated with the history of the development of Golden Gate Park. But, it's like a war. The generals get all the credit, they get all the acknowledgement, but it's the, the grunts, the guys in the trenches that do all the work.

David: Literally in this case.

Angus: Literally in this case. So, this is a family that I came across actually researching the Little Shamrock. But it is the Quigley family.  And they are primarily, not they, but the father, Patrick Quigley, and his wife had nine children. And when Golden Gate Park was a dream, was a vision, but not a reality, Patrick and his family were living in San Francisco. He was a grocer. [00:03:00] But he also had some skills that Mr. Hammond Hall thought were appropriate for hiring him on as the, not quite yet, but very soon, the head pick-and-shovel guy.

Nicole: How did they know each other?

Angus: That, I don't know. The trail of the Quigley family, Patrick Quigley, is very faint, very thin. I've had to just dig as far as I could to come up with what I have. There are no books. There are no ceremonial plaques to his honor. What's interesting is that the family lived in Golden Gate Park in this little triangular patch that today, if you're going downtown, you would go right past it without even noticing it. It's to the west of Kezar Stadium. It's also bounded on the south by Frederick if you were to continue straight on towards the Haight.

David: So, it's kind of where Lincoln Way kind of cuts in to the left and hooks up with Oak Street or the Panhandle or whatever.

Angus: Correct. Correct. When Patrick Quigley was hired to be [00:04:00] the Superintendent of Teamsters, and had other titles, but he was basically the overseer of all the laborers in Golden Gate Park for 40 years. And he was so important, his job was so essential, that the family was given a home to live in on this triangular piece of land. And the Quigleys lived there for 40 something years from about 1871 until the Quigleys, Mr. and Mrs. Quigley, passed away in 1912.

Woody: So, just back up for a sec here. So, "pick-and-shovel" men. Let's go back to that term. So, you're saying these are like the physical laborers.

Angus: These are the guys who sweat on the job. These are the guys that before there were the internal combustion engine, they were behind the horses that were pulling the levelers and the graders and the sod busters or the sand scrapers.

Woody: Taming and manicuring the sand dunes to turn it into Golden Gate Park.

Angus: That's it. That's it.

Woody: Okay. So, the Quigleys get, Patrick Quigley gets hired in 1871, you said?

Angus: That's about where I find his name first associated as the Superintendent of the Teamsters [00:05:00] in Golden Gate Park.

David: The Park is only a year old at that point, right?

Angus: Well, it's a year old, but it's really...

Woody: On paper.

Angus: Well, but it's also very distant, removed from where the Quigleys "lived" in Golden Gate Park because the Park developed from east to west. The Panhandle was where the ground and the soil was most conducive to putting in shrubs and plants and trees. So, the Panhandle was the nursery, essentially, for what would be transplanted in the rest of the Park moving westward. So, the Quigleys lived in this plot of land, which was sand. You know, I tried to visualize what it was like in 1870. There was nothing out there. It was like back in the 19th century when the criminals from England were banished to Australia, where they just were sent out. And this is where the Quigleys lived. With three miles of sand between them and the ocean.

David: Well, I have a question. So, I've seen on old maps something that cuts through Golden Gate Park called the Central Ocean Road, and we've talked a little bit about it in the past. [00:06:00] Was that near this area? Was there a little road that went through that place?

Angus: It was a toll road. It was a toll road that went from about Divisadero and Turk and went westward. And then at about where Alvord Lake is in Golden Gate Park, it kind of followed the path of least resistance towards Lake Merced. So, it wound around through the sand dunes, the hills, west of Lake Merced and wound up at, excuse me, Laguna Honda, west of Laguna Honda, and then continued on to Lake Merced where there was a racetrack and a resort, the Ocean House and Lake House.

David: But through Golden Gate Park, it kind of went through Sharon Meadow and...

Angus: Through Sharon Meadow. It went right past the Quigleys' house.

David: Yeah.

Angus: And this was the only form of transportation for them to go to town. Being as important as he was, he probably had a horse, maybe a wagon. And he would, with his family, would head on downtown. He would go to where his job called him to be, to supervise the workers. The children probably went to Laguna Honda School, which was established [00:07:00] in the late 1860s, but...

Woody: On Seventh Avenue.

Angus: On Seventh Avenue. Interestingly enough, they lived right across the street from the California Powder Works, the dynamite factory in the Sunset District. So imagine, you're a kid back in the 1870s, and you live across the street from a dynamite factory. I mean, there's fun. There's just fun waiting right across the street.

Woody: You don't really, you don't live near much else though. There's a dynamite factory. There's the school and there's a couple of bars, I guess.

Angus: Well, they're more like…

Woody: People are like…

Angus: Saloons along the road that the Teamsters maybe stop off and, you know, have a nip or two as they're heading east or west.

David: Milk punch!

Woody: Milk punch. Do we have any idea how the spot, and I think this is one of the most fascinating parts of the story, Nicole, is where the house was? Because Angus is right. We don't think of it now, but that part that's called Kezar Triangle now.

Nicole: Yeah. I drive by it all the time.

Woody: Yeah. That's just, you know, west of Kezar Stadium in the parking lot and all that area over there is part of Golden Gate Park. [00:08:00] You know that if you could've made Lincoln continue going east, that was all part of the Park. So, is there any idea why that section or why that little weird area was picked for the Quigley house, when you say, Angus, most of the work is going on in the Panhandle when he gets hired?

Angus: This is one of those things that, if it was ever documented or explained why, it's lost forever.

Woody: Okay, so Quigley's hired. He's in charge of labor guys, right? The pick-and-shovel. But he's doing it himself too, I assume.

Angus: Well, I'm sure, I mean this was a hands-on job that you led by example.

Woody: And then you said that you got involved with this because you were doing research on the Little Shamrock, which is, where's Little Shamrock, Nicole?

Nicole: It's on Lincoln, right at Ninth Avenue, and it's one of the best bars on the West side.

Woody: It also has, well, Angus proved this at a recent meeting of the San Francisco Historical Society, it's the oldest continually operating bar in the City, right?

Angus: Absolutely.

Woody: So how do the Quigleys and the Little [00:09:00] Shamrock come together?

Angus: Well, for me, it came together from this old photograph or a couple of old photographs of the Shamrock that have the name J.P. Quigley above the Little Shamrock. And I had to find out, who is J.P. Quigley? What is his connection to the Little Shamrock? And briefly, he married the widow who opened the Little Shamrock, ran it, which, okay, that solved that little mystery, but again, who are the Quigleys now? And I learned that the Quigley family, this is about 1900 that the name Quigley's associated with the Little Shamrock, lived within walking distance from Ninth Avenue to Arguello.

Woody: For sure.

Angus: And the operator, Julia Herzo, was a widow. And conceivably the oldest son of the Quigleys, James Patrick, J.P., maybe found something fanciful in the relationship with the bar maid, the bar [00:10:00] runner.

Woody: Yeah.

David: Milk Punch!

Nicole: Nooooooo! I mean, a widow who owns her own bar? It's not a bad deal.

Angus: It's not a bad deal at all. So, they were married in 1901, but the name "Quigley" really, in my research, came from the Little Shamrock. So, I dug more into the Quigley saga. And imagine nine kids living in a house, from, oh the age range was maybe 18 years, and you have some, at a certain point, some of the adult boys or young men are working in Golden Gate Park.

Woody: Right.

Angus: But they had other careers. One of the sons became a physician.

Woody: Right.

Angus: In fact, the home, if you wanna see what a wealthy physician was able to build as a home, it's still standing on 10th Avenue. It's about the 1600 block of 10th Avenue on the West side. It's a magnificent home. It stands out from all the others. This was the home of, I call him Dr. John. It was John Martin Quigley. Another son who, when he was younger, [00:11:00] did some work in Golden Gate Park, but he became a pharmacist and he opened up the first pharmacy or drugstore to the east of the family homestead in the new, up-and-coming neighborhood that was called Ashbury Heights, the progenitor of today's Haight-Ashbury. And the building still stands; it's on the southwest corner of Waller and Clayton Street.

Woody: So, I mean, they could rightfully be called the pioneers of the Inner Sunset too. I mean, if you count where they lived as the Inner Sunset, which I don't know if you do, but nobody else is living there in 1870s essentially.

Angus: No question. No question. They are the first family of Golden Gate Park. One of the pioneer first families, really a family living in what will become the Sunset, still called the Outside Lands.

Woody: Right. And then, I guess it's also remarkable, we talk about a pharmacist and a doctor coming out of this family that, you know, are pick-and-shovel people, right?

Angus: Correct.

Woody: So that's pretty good. The house, though, also just fascinates me. Nicole, didn't you find some reference to the house after the Quigley's [00:12:00] time there and its reputation?

Nicole: Well, yeah the, I mean, the house isn't there anymore, correct? And I heard that it burned down. And that there's a haunted house story involved with it.

Angus: Correct! Correct. The family lived there for almost 40 years. The children were raised, some of the children grew up and left home. One daughter never did leave home. It's kind of an interesting situation that I can't explain or get any details. But when the senior Quigley, Patrick, died, his claim or the family's claim to the free board in the Park evaporated. So, the house stood empty for a couple of years from 1912, and Patrick Quigley died in November. Probably being forlorn and abandoned, the aura of a haunted house probably just surrounded it. And so, at one time later on, like what Nicole is referring to, some students from up the hill there at [00:13:00] the Affiliated Colleges had...

David: Now UCSF.

Angus: Now UCSF, decided, or if they've been doing this for a while, there's no way to know, there's only one reference in the newspaper, create a haunted house scenario, where people were brought in, and they were frightened by strange sounds coming from the upper floor and moaning and groaning.

Woody: People smoking?

Angus: People smoking cigarettes. Yeah, just...

Woody: Ghosts smoking cigarettes.

Nicole: Bad kids.

Angus: Of course, of course. And it was so terrible that, that brave fireman, you know, San Francisco's bravest, ran in fear from what they were exposed to.

Nicole: From cigarettes.

David: Well, that sounds like a controversial statement. So, we're gonna hear from some firemen now.

Angus: So…

David: The firefighters.

Angus: According to the article that Nicole came across, an intrepid newspaper reporter was brave enough to get to the bottom of this story. So, he hung around after everybody ran away screaming into the night and spoke with the people upstairs who were doing this little haunted house scene.

Woody: Oh. So, [00:14:00] they weren't really ghosts.

Nicole: Wah wah wah.

Woody: So now the corner, so Kezar Triangle, is there any plans for anything at Kezar? Because the house is gone when? When is the house gone?

Angus: Well, the house burned down in 1914.

Woody: 1914.

Nicole: Arson, right?

Angus: More than likely the ghost fell asleep smoking a cigarette and set his bed or a bed sheet on fire.

Woody: Have there been any plans to, like, recognize the Quigleys in that triangle?

Angus: Absolutely nothing. Nowhere. Like, I mentioned that the 150th anniversary of Golden Gate Park's creation is coming up next year, and there's probably gonna be all sorts of celebrations around John McLaren's statue out there in Golden Gate Park and, you know, recalling William Hammond Hall. But nobody even knows what Patrick Quigley looked like. If there are any photographs of him, they're not identified. There are no references anywhere that I was able to find in Park Department archives or records of him. With the exception of when he passed away, he died in the middle of November, that the Park Commission allowed the remainder of his salary for the rest of the month to go [00:15:00] to his family.

Nicole: How generous.

Woody: Yeah.

David: Well that, I mean, you say he had nine children, right?

Woody: Yeah.

David: I mean, there'd have to be some descendants of the Quigleys still. There's gotta be some Quigleys around.

Angus: Not, well, there are not that many.

Nicole: A lot of Quigleys.

Angus: Only a couple of them got married. Dr. John, whose magnificent home I referred to, he married, but he didn't have any children. Which brings to mind, I'm gonna make a little deviation here. Patrick's responsibility was the infrastructure of Golden Gate Park, essentially. And, you know, the roads and things like that. And tragically, two of his sons, Dr. John being one of them, and Charles, another son, died in automobile-related accidents.

Woody: In…

Angus: On the roads in Golden Gate Park.

Woody: That is a ghost story to me.

Nicole: See? See?

Woody: You told me that a long time ago. It's like the highest irony. It's like they both die, they both die in car accidents. And they both die in Golden Gate Park.

Nicole: On roads he built!

Woody: Yeah. It does seem like some curse of something going on there.

Nicole: I do have to say that I [00:16:00] think that your reach as a historian is far greater than you give yourself credit for.

Angus: Well, I don't do it for the credit. I do it for the satisfaction of finding out about, well, in this case, a lost person who deserves some recognition. But getting back to the descendants…

Woody: Oh yeah.

Angus: Getting back on track here. Dr. John was married. Two of the daughters married, and they had children. I was able to find out that one of the children from these two daughters, in their marriage, grew up to be a noted educator in San Francisco. But that's about it. They, you know, were married, these are women. Their last names changed, so the Quigley lineage is lost in the…

Woody: Records.

Angus: Branches of the family tree. So there really is nobody to try to track down that might have a trunk of family archives, mementos probably, well, I don't know. It's just, just one of those tragic things that a family is dispersed, and everything that we, looking back from a hundred years down [00:17:00] the road, wished we'd had.

Woody: Right.

Nicole: Well, the reason why I mentioned your reach is when I was doing some research, in 2013, there was a group called the Kezar Triangle Arts Coalition.

Angus: Yes.

Nicole: And they pulled pretty much verbatim something you had written on our message board. So, I don't know if our podcast listeners know that one of the things we do at the Western Neighborhoods Project is we have these great community message boards where people can get on and talk about various local topics in history. You're an avid contributor to that. And you wrote a little bit about the Quigleys on our message boards. And that, basically verbatim what you wrote was lifted and used in this, I forget which city department, I think Rec and Park, their commission meeting minutes, because they wanted to do a memorial to the Quigleys.

Angus: Oh!

Nicole: On that little piece of land. They wanted to take 400 bricks. 400 representing the number of former and current Park employees and do an outline of the former Quigley home.

Angus: Oh, cool. I never, I didn't know that. That would be great.

Nicole: It would. I don't know what happened to that. So that would [00:18:00] be...

Woody: That was back in 2013 you said?

Nicole: Yeah, I didn't follow, I didn’t track it down to see if it anything came to it. I've never seen anything on that plot of land, so I don't think it ever happened. But that would be really cool if that could happen.

Woody: Can we, can we. Can we all agree here? There's four of us. We can get a lot done. There's four of us. Can we like create a monument to the Quigleys on the Kezar triangle for next year?

Angus: Well, that's a hundred bricks each. I mean, I could just have you lift them.

Nicole: Get your Radio Flyer out!

David: Wait. I think that we said something else where you can't just go start digging in the Park. Like an individual.

Angus: That was a cemetery thing.

David: Oh, that was a cemetery thing.

Nicole: It's different. We're not digging. We're building.

David: Let's do it!

Woody: Well, I guess what I was really thinking is, can we convince somebody with authority to have some sort of recognition of the Quigley family and their contributions to Golden Gate Park for next year's anniversary? And Kezar Triangle seems like a great place to do it.

Angus: I'm all for it. I'm all for it.

Woody: All right. We're gonna do it. If you, listener, want to help us, write in and let us know. And we're gonna do this. We're gonna figure out some way to [00:19:00] at least recognize the Quigleys and their work because like, like Angus says, you know, these are the working people who make things happen. Not the people who get the credit. So, we gotta make sure that they get a little bit of a recognition with this big anniversary coming up.

David: Absolutely.

Nicole: Then we can go have a pint at the Little Shamrock to celebrate.

Woody: We can do that anyway.

Nicole: That’s true.

Angus: We can do it before!

Woody: Okay, now it's time for the Pearl of the Podcast. Now, the two sons dying in Golden Gate Park in auto accidents seems like a good Pearl, but David, I think we have another one.

David: Right. So, the Quigleys were allowed to live inside Golden Gate Park. They had their home that we've been talking about. What other families were able to live inside the Park? For decades.

Woody: Yeah, decades. Well, does John McLaren count as a family? Did he have other people living in the McLaren Lodge with him?

Nicole: He had a daughter.

Woody: [00:20:00] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Nicole: A wife.

Woody: Okay. That's one. McLaren, John McLaren.

David: Yeah. One more.

Woody: This is more a trivia question now. How about, you have one?

Nicole: Yeah.

Woody: Who?

Nicole: The Hagiwaras!

Woody: Ah, right! The Hagiwaras! So that's the family that was taking care of the Japanese Tea Garden for many years.

David: Right. So, the Quigleys, the Hagiwaras, and the McLarens all lived in Golden Gate Park.

Woody: That's pretty good. Do you have anybody else, Angus? There any caretakers of the windmill or something that lived there?

Angus: Well, yeah, the caretaker of the windmill. And also, when I was looking through the census to get information on the Quigleys, the Lifesaving Station at the end of the Park. They live there, in the census are recorded as living there.

Woody: Right. But they're not a family.

David: They're not a family, and probably the same person didn't live there for decades.

Woody: Yeah, that's a good one.

David: We had to really focus this to get this Pearl exactly right.

Woody: I like it though. All right, now it's time for listener mail. Okay, [00:21:00] Nicole, how can people contact us to send us listener mail?

Nicole: It's really easy. You just email us at podcast@outsidelands.org, or as David pointed out last time, you can call us and leave a long message that we may or may not play on the next podcast.

Woody: That's right. You just call 415...

David: 661-1000.

Woody: Okay.

David: Yeah. You can also comment on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, all those things count as listener mail. If you refer to the podcast.

Nicole: Tweet at us.

Woody: Did we have any listener mail, Nicole?

Nicole: We did! You guys, this is really exciting!

Woody: Oh my gosh. What happened?

Nicole: The Van Raam sister finally wrote in!

Woody: Oh no. The Van Raam brothers' sister. Finally! We knew there was a sister.

Nicole: We got 'em all, you guys. Collect all four.

Woody: We got all the Van Raams.

David: Her name is Susan.

Woody: Okay. What did Susan want? What did Susan say?

Nicole: Susan said, "Hi guys, love the episode. I was a regular at Kelly's Cove from around 14 to 21 years of age. Although I didn't know Carol personally, she was a fixture for sure."

Woody: Okay, so she's writing about the Carol Schuldt episode we did [00:22:00] about the "Queen of the Beach.”

Nicole: She said she was always intrigued with her bohemian ways, and she loved the ocean and still does, attended many bonfires, as well as hanging out on the stairs absorbing any rays of sun. "I would often run into my maternal grandfather, or I'd have to run into my maternal grandfather, who always told me to cover up as I was wearing a skimpy bikini, modeling after Carol." When it was foggy, she would buy cheese enchiladas and Spanish rice from the Hot House. Which I really wish someone would bring back as a brick-and-mortar store again by the way. And sit on the stairs, watching the waves. "Carol was always there, rain or shine. Many fond memories of those days. Thanks for the San Francisco history." And thank you, Susan, for writing in.

Woody: It's awesome to have a Van, we have the entire Van Raam book now. Everybody. Well, thanks, Susan, for writing in. And David, I don't think we mentioned it, but we also got a message from, and this is more to what you were talking about, Nicole, from [00:23:00] Jacquie Proctor.

Nicole: Oh, yeah!

David: Yeah.

Woody: On Facebook about the women artists at the 1894 Midwinter Fair.

Nicole: So, this was really cool. Jacquie, who’s, she is a noted author here in San Francisco, she wrote a book about...

Woody: Mount Davidson.

Nicole: Yeah. And Harold Stoner, I think.

Woody: Right. Well, she's been on the podcast.

Nicole: Yeah. She wrote a great book about Harold Stoner, but so she wrote in and said it was very nice to hear about Alice Chittenden. With an "h.” And that her granddaughter, Virginia, lived next door to her, and her home was filled with Alice's beautiful paintings, including her award winner from the 1894 Fair, which is super cool. I would love to see that, Jacquie.

Woody: Yeah.

Nicole: And Virginia told them lots of fun stories about her amazing grandmother. And she also pointed out that some of Alice's specimen paintings are on display in the Golden Gate Park Botanical Garden Library.

Woody: And I think Jacquie lives in Miraloma Park. So that's interesting that Alice Chittenden's granddaughter ended up there too.

David: Yeah.

Woody: Local. Nice. All right.

David: Thanks Jacquie.

Woody: Yeah, thank you. And that's Listener mail. You can review [00:24:00] us on iTunes and, as David says, on all our social media.

David: Right.

Woody: And send us mail. We'd love to hear from you. Now it's time for events. David! David?

David: Yes.

Woody: Are you here?

David: Sorry, I dropped my notes for a second. Got confused. Yeah, so we have a whole lot of events coming up. One next Thursday. No, a couple Thursdays from now. March 21st, 7:00 PM at our home for history, 1617 Balboa Street. We'll be talking the Conservatory of Flowers' 140th anniversary. That's gonna be Nicole and Chelsea bringing it.

Nicole: Yeah. We've done so much research into the origins, which has a funky story, lots of intrigue, including a shipwreck.

Woody: Ooh.

Nicole: So, you're gonna wanna come hear us talk about the odds and ends of Conservatory of Flowers history.

David: So that's a Thursday night. Two days later, on Saturday morning, [00:25:00] oh, Saturday afternoon, we're gonna be doing our last 1938 WPA model talk at the Park Branch Library. We've done, we’ve done five of these talks, and they've been packed to the rafters every time. So, this is gonna be 3:00 at the Park Branch Library, which is on Page Street, I think, And, but get there early because the place will fill up. Then we're not done! April 4th, Thursday night, 7:00 PM at Balboa Street.

Woody: Angus is gonna like this one.

Nicole: Yeah.

David: Yeah. We're going to do, you know, it's the day before the Giants' home opener, and so, we're gonna do a whirlwind tour of baseball in San Francisco. From the very beginnings to some most recent disappointments.

Woody: Maybe Angus will come and be a special guest.

David: Yeah, I think that's gonna be me and Nicole leading the charge on that. That'll be fun. Nicole's a huge baseball fan.

Nicole: Huge.

David: I'm a baseball fan. I don't like to admit it, but I [00:26:00] am.

Woody: You don't like to admit it. It's so shameful.

David: I've been a season ticket holder for the Giants for like, 25 years or something.

Woody: Yeah.

Nicole: I'm excited. I'm gonna wear a baseball uniform to the event.

Woody: Yeah, you better not admit what baseball uniform you're gonna wear though.

Nicole: No, it's not. No, it's my dad's.

Woody: Okay.

Nicole: It’s one of my dad's uniforms.

Woody: All right. I thought you were gonna wear a Chipper Jones jersey.

Nicole: No!

Woody: Okay.

Nicole: I don't own one of those.

David: We have all kinds of great baseball pictures in seven, so we're gonna talk about those. Then, we have to talk about this. It's a little bit in advance. But May 19th, that's a Sunday night, we're gonna be doing our 20th anniversary gala up at the Presidio Golf Course.

Woody: Yeah. And I, the reason we're trying to tell people early is because there's an early bird ticket price that's only good until the end of March.

David: Yeah.

Woody: So, we want you to come here and celebrate with us. We have limited seating. I think we can only fit 200 people in there.

David: Right.

Woody: And we have lots of, we [00:27:00] have a big community.

David: Yeah.

Woody: So, we want you there, and we want you to get your early bird deal. So go to outsidelands.org/gala and buy a ticket now. We're gonna have Peter Hartlaub, the pop critic from the San Francisco Chronicle, as a special guest.

David: He's cool.

Woody: Yeah. He, he's got our vibe.

David: Yeah.

Woody: I think he's got a kind of our history vibe.

Nicole: Yeah. For sure.

Woody: And, of course, we have all our celebrity historians that will be there too. Although Angus has got other plans. We're a little, we're trying to put the squeeze on him. All right. What else can somebody do at that website, David?

David: Well, you can become a member of the Western Neighborhoods Project by clickety, clickety, clacking…

Nicole: Yeah!

David: The link at the top of every page.

Nicole: All the pages.

David: All the pages have this button.

Woody: Yeah.

David: Become a member. Click that and you will be part of our family, and we'll know it.

Woody: Yeah.

Nicole: That got real weird.

Woody: You get a…

David: Real weird.

Woody: You get a quarter…

David: So, one of, some of the benefits of joining our...

Woody: See, this is why people don't wanna be members. They're like, I don't wanna get too close. You know?

David: Yeah. All right. Yeah. I mean, I'm [00:28:00] not gonna call you and tell you that, well, I'm not gonna call you and complain about things like I do to my real family. So, don't worry about that, but you can get our quarterly magazine. It's beautiful, glossy, and thick with information.

Nicole: Why is everything coming out super weird?

Woody: Yeah. David, maybe we should just stop.

David: Become a member by clicking the link at the top.

Woody: Thank you.

David: And this will be the last time that I implore you, I think by popular demand.

Woody: Before we give you a preview of next week, I just want to thank Angus. Thank you for coming, Angus.

Angus: Always glad to be here.

Woody: And our preview for next week is, we're going to get operatic.

David: Aaaaaaaaaa!

Nicole: Amadeus! Amadeus!

Woody: Maybe we just won't do this one. Okay. See you next week.

David: Goodbye.

Nicole: Goodbye.

Ian: Outside Lands San Francisco is recorded by Ian Hadley. Content creation and media production at ihadley.com.

Woody: To learn more about the Western Neighborhoods [00:29:00] Project and more about San Francisco history, go to outsidelands.org.

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