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Outside Lands Podcast Episode 264R: Lakes of Golden Gate Park (repodcast)

Stow Lake was just renamed Blue Heron Lake, so let's revisit this classic podcast episode on the lakes of Golden Gate Park.
by Woody LaBounty & David Gallagher - Jan 19, 2024

Outside Lands Podcast Episode 264R: Lakes of Golden Gate Park (repodcast) Outside Lands Podcast Episode 264R: Lakes of Golden Gate Park (repodcast)

(above) Golden Gate Park, circa 1902

Stow Lake, family feeding a variety of water fowl


Podcast Transcription

264R - Lakes of Golden Gate Park

Nicole Meldahl: [00:00:00] The following is a classic episode of Outside Lands San Francisco. Dates mentioned in this week's podcast pertain to past events only.

Woody LaBounty: It's Outside Lands San Francisco, the podcast of the Western Neighborhoods Project. I'm Woody LaBounty.

David Gallagher: and I'm David Gallagher.

[sound of children cheering]

Woody: David!

David: Yeah, Woody, welcome back.

Woody: Thank you, you know, we missed a week.

David: Don't remind people of that.

Woody: Nobody noticed.

David: Yeah, we got zero messages about how we didn't do a podcast last week.

Woody: Yeah. Maybe, maybe, maybe it's all broken. Maybe nobody has been getting it for months.

David: Well, everybody took the week off.

Woody: That's okay. Every now and then we deserve a week off, but two weeks ago I had said, as a preview, that we were going to get all wet.

David: Right. That implied that we are going to, um, uh, be near water.

Woody: Yeah, or even in it.

David: Or in water. [00:01:00]

Woody: Yeah.

David: Oh, yeah. I wouldn't get into any of the water that we're going to talk about.

Woody: No, I wouldn't either, actually. And some are particularly bad, but

David: But anyway, we're going to talk today about the lakes of Golden Gate Park.

Woody: Yeah, I did a talk for, uh somebody at the botanical gardens a couple months ago about the lakes.

David: Do they call it the botanical garden? Or do they call it the arboretum?

Woody: I don't know what they call it, but that's where I was. [Laughter]. And that's what they wanted me to talk about. And so I said, oh yeah, I can probably off the top of my head talk about the lakes. And so I had done just enough research that I realized we could do a podcast about it.

David: Oh, good. So, like no research at all then?

Woody: Yes.

David: There is a little lake in the, in the botanical garden.

Woody: I know! I, I, so, okay. So when we talk about the lakes of Golden Gate Park, it's not all water bodies, I guess, because there are lots of little pools. There are, like the pool of enchantment in front of the de Young Museum.

David: Oh yeah. Uh huh. I mean, that was in one [00:02:00] spot and now it's in a different spot.

Woody: Right. So I don't know if that counts as a, quote, lake. Yeah. And then in Japanese Tea Garden, they have little lakes.

David: Yes.

Woody: Do I count those?

David: Steven Pitsenbarger is going to tell us exactly about those lakes, I'm sure, via email.

Woody: Well that's good because we're not going to talk about that. I try to figure out what counts as a lake. And so I'm going with the larger bodies of water. But the essential question that I think we get a lot when people talk about the history of Golden Gate Park is, they say, which of these lakes is natural, quote, natural, because Golden Gate Park is essentially a, a creation, right?

David: Yes.

Woody: Not like, from [affects a deep voice] creation, but

David: no, it's a man-made park.

Woody: Yeah.

David: I mean, the whole, all of the Golden Gate Park was…well, it wasn't all sand dunes, but much of it was shifting sand, certainly the west end of it was.

Woody: Yeah.

David: And, uh, it's all been stabilized by, by systematic planting over, what, [00:03:00] 120 years or something?

Woody: Yeah.

David: 140 years.

Woody: And now, you know, of course, because they're creating a park and a landscape that they want to be this sort of relaxing, uh, pleasing environment, they create these water elements.

David: Right.

Woody: So a lot of the lakes are just, we just, we want a lake. Let's put one here. So are any of them natural, I guess, is the question we're going to have to answer as we go through the big lakes, um, list here. And David, how many lakes do you think you can name in Golden Gate Park?

David: Uh, I can name probably six or eight lakes.

Woody: Six or eight lakes?

David: Yeah.

Woody: Okay, go ahead, try.

David: I'm good, I guess. Okay, well, Stow Lake.

Woody: Stow Lake, that’s

David: I'm going to do it without looking at my notes.

Woody: Good.

David: and you, only you, know I'm not cheating.

Woody: That's right.

David: Stow Lake.

Woody: Uh-huh.

David: Spreckels Lake, um, Metson Lake.

Woody: Ooh, that's a good one.

David: That's one that I used…I'll tell you more about that, my experiences there.

Woody: Okay.

David: Uh, uh. Maybe that's it.

Woody: [00:04:00] Well those are three good ones.

David: Yeah.

Woody: But you know

David: there's one called, like, Duck Lake?

Woody: Uh, Mallard Lake.

David: Mallard Lake.

Woody: Yeah.

David: Um, I thought I could name six, right? Oh, the Chain of Lakes is three.

Woody: That's right. Okay, that counts. You got

David: Okay

Woody: You got over six.

David: I got my six.

Woody: The other ones I think you, you're gonna kick yourself about: Alvord Lake.

David: Oh yeah.

Woody: Which is kind of the first lake that's created in Golden Gate Park in a way. Um, and then there's Elk Glen Lake and Lloyd Lake, where the Portals of the Past are.

David: Oh, of course.

Woody: And Lily Pond, which I think is big enough to be a lake.

David: Yes.

Woody: Think so?

David: I do.

Woody: So those are kind of the ones I think we, we hit as the big lakes.

David: Yeah.

Woody: And we're going to kind of talk about. So I said that I, again, we're not counting the casting pools, right,

David: No.

Woody: where the fishing guys throw their, uh, their, their, their cast their rods or whatever. And uh, we're, and not even like, um, in, in the Strybing Arboretum, the little water elements, we're kind of, [00:05:00] we're not going to talk about those. We're going to talk about the big old, what people consider lakes.

David: Okay.

Woody: So Alvord Lake is the first one I said. And if we're not counting natural lakes and it was made in 1882. So the park starts in 1870

David: Right.

Woody: And then they decide, of course, Alvord Lake is way over there on Stanyan, just off Stanyan Street.

David: So when you say way over there, I mean,

Woody: Well, we're the west side people.

David: Okay.

Woody: So that’s way over for us.

David: Well, I mean, that was…it's arguably the, the front door of Golden Gate Park. I mean, there was a, there were transit lines that went there. There were transit lines that started there and ended there.

Woody: Mm hmm.

David: And that's where most of the people were, I think.

Woody: Yeah.

David: Than how they got to, uh, got into the park at that time.

Woody: You're absolutely right. I'm revealing my west side bias there by saying it's way over there, but you're right. It's like people come through the panhandle or get off the old cable car and they walked into the park and boom, do you have this [00:06:00] beautiful, what they called the Lakelet.

David: Yeah.

Woody: Um, and in fact, and you see these early maps of Golden Gate Park, some of which have lakes that don't exist and never existed, but they call it the Lakelet. Because it's like the only real lake that they have in the 1880s.

David: Do you think that that's, I mean, that's how they named, uh, some, uh, a lake in, like, uh, New York's Central Park.

Woody: Mm hmm.

David: Had the pond and the lake and the lakelet, I think.

Woody: Right. They give them these names, like, there's only one. We've made it, right?

David: Right.

Woody: And I guess this is kind of a trite way to think of it, but think of it like you're building Disneyland or something, right? Cause it is man made and it's like an attraction. Like, let's have the, you know, the, uh, uh, Space Mountain.

David: Right.

Woody: Right – so it's like the Lakelet you walk down and we've created this environment that looks like a little grotto. They have the underpass where the bridge is, the Alvord bridge there

David: Right.

Woody: with the stalactites

David: Yeah.

Woody: underneath the bridge.

David: That was an engineering marvel at the time.

Woody: Yeah. So the [00:07:00] Lakelet was all part of it. And it was that kind of, I want to create a little environment for people to walk into, like they're going into a new world.

David: I mean, there are things in that, like little shooting fountains, or I think there's a little vomiting frog.

Woody: It is a vomiting frog. [Laughter]. Um, and we call it Alvord Lake and a lot of the lakes are named after Park Commissioners, uh, the, the board of, you know, the park commission for the city.

David: Yeah, so that Alvord just wanted to be, uh, immortalized forever?

Woody: Well, he didn't actually, he, he was actually mad. He didn't want it to be named after him, but what happened was he gave a bunch of money to help kind of, quote, improve it for 1894 Midwinter Fair

David: Yeah.

Woody: and they, over his objections, named it after him. They called it the Alvord Lake. Um, Alvord, you know, he was a mayor of San Francisco. He was a big, important guy

David: yeah

Woody: and stuff like that. So Alvord Lake is like the first lake. What do you think is, if we're not counting natural lakes that we'll talk about, what's the second lake? And you kind of hit on it, David. [00:08:00] Alvord Lake is the farthest east. What's the second main lake going to be?

David: Well, I think it, probably, Stow Lake

Woody: Yeah!

David: is the next one because that was built in the 1880s sometime.

Woody: Yeah. Well, 1890s, early 1890s. So, there's one that's not there anymore, called Deer Glen Lake.

David: Okay.

Woody: And that's where the, uh, National, uh, AIDS Memorial Glen is.

David: Right.

Woody: That, and it was, uh, de Laveaga Dell.

David: Yeah.

Woody: Before that, it was a quarry, and they basically had a bunch of deer in there in the 1880s, and they had a little lake.

David: That was a quarry?

Woody: I think it was a quarry. I think they got some, I think they got some, maybe they, maybe not. I know the lily pond was a quarry, but I think they quarried something there, too.

David: Okay, because I thought that that was kind of a natural depression that kind of had some sort of natural water that would come up in it.

Woody: Well, it was - it's very much a depression.

David: Yeah.

Woody: I mean if you go there now and if you

David: It’s a little valley.

Woody: Yeah, we have old postcards and they have, it was called Deer Glen, they had like deer and elk in there

David: Yeah.

Woody: kind of fenced [00:09:00] in there and it's really depressing looking, It's kind of, it's all bare and it's like this little, uh

David: Yeah.

Woody: little valley with just a little pond in the middle of it that the deer run around and so that was there. But by 1902, they've gotten rid of the lake and they put the dell in. And so, so not counting that, you're right. The second big lake is Stow Lake.

David: Yeah. And Stow Lake is really just a reservoir.

Woody: Yeah.

David: I mean, it's just up there, uh, built right around Strawberry Hill, which is the highest point in the park, We've talked about before.

Woody: Yeah.

David: Um, and they built it as a reservoir, but they also used it primarily for recreation, they've been renting boats and things

Woody: Yeah.

David: in that lake since the beginning, I believe.

Woody: Yeah, and it's the biggest lake, um, in Golden Gate Park. It starts kind of on the east side of the hill and eventually circles the whole Strawberry Hill.

David: Yeah.

Woody: And I think we did a whole podcast on Stow Lake, but that's the second one, you're right. And it was made in time for the 1894 Fair. Um, and because it's up on the [00:10:00] hill, it's, it's gravity, you know allows it

David: Right.

Woody: to be a reservoir to be used for irrigation and such. So, what do you think, um, the third lake's gonna be, David?

David: What, what are we talking about? What is the order that we're putting it in?

Woody: Date.

David: Oh, by date.

Woody: So we did Alvord Lake, That was 1882 or whatever. We did Stow Lake, early 1890s.

David: Yeah. Um, I, gosh.

Woody: Gotta keep going west.

David: I know. I know. I think, I mean, I think that they probably did Chain of Lakes

Woody: They did.

David: after that.

Woody: Mm hmm.

David: I mean, those are pretty early and those are semi natural.

Woody: Yeah. And so that's the late 1890s and yeah, I think Chain of Lakes is the first ones we're really talking about that are, uh, that we've talked about that are quasi-natural, and when you talk about natural, it's not like there was a giant fishing lake there that you could go to all times of the year and go swimming in or something. They're like these inter-dunal lakes that the water table [00:11:00] rises or it's very rainy and you've got a little lake. Other times the sand might shift and pretty much it's dry.

David: Right.

Woody: Right. So that whole little section there was definitely kind of, uh, uh, seasonal lakes that would come up. Um, and then they made it more permanent when they created the Chain of Lakes.

David: They, I mean, and that again is like this attraction sort of thing, they

Woody: Definitely.

David: they put in rustic bridges to walk across them. We have many pictures in our, on our website of people posing on the bridges. They, they even planted, uh, exotic plants all around on those lakes and the little islands in the lakes.

Woody: Yeah, again, it's like a ride, right? You walk, the bridges used to go from island to island, they made like seven islands. Now you can't do this. It's more like they're nesting grounds for waterfowl and ducks and things. But they used to be, you could walk across the bridge to an island, They'd have different plants on that island, then you'd walk across another bridge to another island and you'd go up and down the lakes. And the Chain of Lakes are all around [00:12:00] 41st to 43rd Avenue, way out west.

David: Right, and now the middle lake is almost totally

Woody: Choked.

David: choked with, uh, cattails or something.

Woody: Yeah.

David: It's almost, you can barely see the lake.

Woody: Hey, I have a little trivia there I just read, you know our friend Chris Pollack, the Golden Gate Park historian?

David: Yeah.

Woody: We've seen those rustic bridges. We have pictures of it, where it looks like a bunch of sticks are made

David: Yeah, mm hmm.

Woody: Um, to make the bridge. At least one of them was actually cast concrete

David: Oh!

Woody: Made to look like, made of sticks.

David: I thought they were all cast concrete.

Woody: They are.

David: I thought that there were, uh, that's how they were all made. There's ones up on top of, uh, on, uh, above Huntington Falls, it was there, yeah, there, they

Woody: But they look like sticks, right?

David: Yeah.

Woody: They're made to look like they're branches that got put together.

David: They look like branches, but they're made of concrete, yeah, I don't think any of them were actually made of wood.

Woody: That's pretty funny. Um, okay, so let's hit some other lakes here because we got to get them all. The Lily Pond. Now that was definitely a quarry, right?

David: The Lily Pond, yes.

Woody: And [00:13:00] that's kind of, uh, south of where the conservatory is.

David: Yeah.

Woody: You walk in, you're like, where am I going? And all of a sudden there's this beautiful lily pond.

David: Right, if you were going from the AIDS grove to the conservatory and you wanted to take the most direct route, you would go right through the Lily Pond and through the quarry there.

Woody: And they just recently redid it. It looks really nice. Uh, it, it got improved to be a pond in 1902 and it used to be called Cook's Lake. Although I don't know who Cook was.

David: Really?

Woody: I would have to figure out about that, that’s what I’ve heard.

David: Yeah, we have a lot of pictures of that, too, I mean, it's very, uh, we have some very strange pictures with a, with a man dressed in Native American garb hiding on the cliff there.

Woody: Yeah.

David: And even, maybe even in a canoe in it.

Woody: You know, I think it's because it's so, uh, separated

David: Yeah.

Woody: that it looks almost like you're in some place outside of a big city. It's really kind of enclosed

David: Right.

Woody: That you can like have little tableaus if you want to do dress up. Uh, Spreckels Lake, and [00:14:00] this is the first – you mentioned Stow Lake was a reservoir.

David: Yeah.

Woody: Well, Spreckels Lake, which is where they have the Model Boat Club

David: Uh huh.

Woody: and all that, that's a reservoir too. It's the water that gets pumped from the Dutch windmill. The northern windmill goes into Spreckels Lake.

David: Ready, still?

Woody: I think it still is connected.

David: Oh, okay.

Woody: Yeah. But that's what the, you know, the windmill would spin, it would suck up water from the aquifer and they would shoot it eastward to Spreckels Lake and store it there. But it was really made for those model boat guys.

David: Yeah.

Woody: Um, and I say guys, cause I don't think I've ever seen a woman with a model boat on Spreckels Lake.

David: How many times have you spent – how much time have you spent watching model boats there?

Woody: You would be surprised.

David: Go ahead, lay it on me.

Woody: I used to live, I used to live at 35th and Balboa and I'd walk in there all the time.

David: Okay.

Woody: And I would watch the model boats.

David: Do you remember when the, when they thought there was some murder weapon, a knife that was thrown in there and they drained the whole lake, and for days there was just a torrent of water flowing down Fulton?

Woody: Yes.

David: Okay.

Woody: Because I lived at 35th and Balboa.

David: When was [00:15:00] that? That was like early 90s.

Woody: It was, well maybe mid, yeah.

David: Mid 90s. Yeah.

Woody: Maybe early, you're right. Uh, Lloyd Lake is where the Portals of the Past is.

David: All right.

Woody: And that's, you know, kind of where they have Rainbow Falls goes down, the water goes across

David: Yeah.

Woody: Crossover Drive, and then it's right there, um, just kind of, uh, kind of in the middle of the park, near Speedway Meadow, right?

David: Right.

Woody: Or Hellman's Hollow.

David: Yeah, it’s just past, uh, that, that, uh, 25th Avenue little cutoff there.

Woody: And that was done about the time of the earthquake, which makes sense that they'd put the Portals of the Past, that ruin of the Towne mansion downtown, those pillars, right there.

David: Sometime after the earthquake, but we have pictures of them building Rainbow – but I think Lloyd Lake preceded Rainbow Falls, thought, right?

Woody: Oh, by 30 years, 25 years.

David: Yeah.

Woody: Yeah, they built Lloyd Lake around the time of the earthquake, and then Rainbow Falls wasn't until 1930.

David: Yeah.

Woody: Um, but they

David: So it's funny because now Rainbow Falls, uh, fills Lloyd Lake.

Woody: Right. Yeah. [00:16:00] Um, okay. So let's get to Metson Lake, which is, uh, the one you were talking about. That actually is the reservoir for the other windmill, the Murphy windmill.

David: Really?

Woody: So what is your story about Metson Lake, which is kind of in the south middle part of the park.

David: It's kind of a, it's a, it's a, it's across Speedway Meadow and, uh, and, uh, the area up on the hill behind, behind the south of there.

Woody: Mm hmm.

David: And it's, it's off of Middle Drive, which now Middle Drive, I think, is blocked off.

Woody: A lot of it is, yeah, you can’t drive.

David: So it's very, so Metson Lake is like a secret place that you don't pass

Woody: No, you stumble on it.

David: You stumble on it. And that's, you know, when I was in college at San Francisco State in the mid 80s. Uh, as an elective subject of my own choosing

Woody: Yes.

David: I would go [laughter]. From time to time, I would explore various places in San Francisco, like Golden Gate Park. [00:17:00] I mean, what I'm talking about is cutting class.

Woody: UH HUH.

David: And hanging around in the park.

Woody: And you'd go to Metson Lake.

David: And I would get, and I remember discovering, discovering, I say in quotes, Metson Lake and finding it very, uh, idyllic place, you know, and I still go over there today. And when I'm riding my bike or something, I'll look for a, uh, quiet, out of the way place to sit for a while and Metson Lake is it.

Woody: It's beautiful. And I remember my roommate used to go and wash his car next to it, on a nice day. I don't know exactly how we got the water there now that I think about it, [laughter] but we would do it. Maybe he waxed his car. Um, because it was such a nice place just to sit and kind of look at the, the, the ducks. And it's really nice.

David: Yeah.

Woody: And a place that's kind of like that is the, um, uh, the, the, what you call Duck Lake, it's called Mallard Lake.

David: Mallard Lake.

Woody: And that's closer, That's on South Drive, that's on, um, Martin Luther King Drive area over there. And again, it's kind of in a middle area between where all the traffic would go. So you have the 25th and the Sunset Boulevard area. [00:18:00] And then it's just kind of in between there. It's kind of in a place where it looks almost like the South American jungle.

David: Yeah.

Woody: But that – Mallard Lake might be another one of the only natural lakes in Golden Gate Park.

David: Oh, really?

Woody: Yeah, that's what I've heard. And that when they were building the 1894 Midwinter Fair, a lot of the workers would go have their lunch there.

David: Okay.

Woody: They'd walk over and sit in front of it, and it was called, they called it Hobo Lake.

David: Hobo Lake.

Woody: I think, a little, talking about themselves.

David: Yeah.

Woody: [Laughter]. Um, but, it, apparently is one of those inter-dunal sort of lakes that kind of comes and goes, but it is pretty much natural. It's not like somebody went in and made a whole lake out of that. Uh, and that, so Metson was one of the park commissioners, by the way,

David: Yeah.

Woody: another one of those, and that was 1908. Um, Mallard Lake, uh, basically we think is natural. It also has this little waterfall, I don't know if you've been to Mallard Lake, it's got that little tiny waterfall?

David: Yeah.

Woody: on the kind of east side of the lake, it's pretty cool.

David: [00:19:00] Yeah.

Woody: Um, and then the other lake. Elk Glen Lake.

David: Oh yeah.

Woody: A lake I do not recommend you swim in.

David: No, I don't recommend any of them.

Woody: [Laughter]. Don't swim in any of them. But that's where they treat the sewage, they have the sewage treatment plant right next to it.

David: Oh, so it's processed, uh water?

Woody: Yeah, I don't know what’s in the water, I don't know if the water is straight from that sewage plant, but that's where it happens.

David: Interesting.

Woody: And they called it Elk Glen because that's where they, you remember we had Deer Glen, that's where they had elk for a while.

David: Oh, okay.

Woody: And then they didn't make, they made that lake as part of the sewage treatment plan in 1930s.

David: Mm hmm.

Woody: So, it's like, that might be the last lake, really.

David: Interesting. So, I wanted, and you know, I mean, looking through all of our pictures on OpenSFHistory and Outside Lands, I found some construction pictures for Park Presidio Bypass, which is, you know, where, where all the cars go rushing through now, right?

Woody: Mm hmm.

David: And, in those pictures, in the early [00:20:00] construction pictures, I think there was another lake that was somewhere in that, on that route that they drained and flattened out and put the roadway over, but I've never seen any name for it.

Woody: Well, you know, right near there, which I think is almost could be a lake if we, if the weather's right, is Marx Meadow.

David: Yeah.

Woody: You know, that's the thing we talk about. You know, uh, people making these lakes, but these lakes would just kind of come up. There's a lot of water underneath these dunes.

David: Yeah.

Woody: If the water table gets high enough, you basically have a swamp or a lake.

David: Well, that's what Marx Meadow is. It's just kind of a muddy hole.

Woody: Yeah. I don't recommend when you're reserving your picnic site?

David: Yeah.

Woody: That's always a bad one because it's just a big mud pit. It's too low. There's like water right underneath there and it just gets flooded. But that's, you know, that's what it was like. You think of, like, the sand dunes as being some sort of desert, but there was a lot of water. I mean the windmills are basically pulling up water from just underneath.

David: Yeah.

Woody: Um, there was like little [00:21:00] tidal, almost lakes around the windmills. We look at early Golden Gate Park maps, and there's lakes identified all over the place. Um, some kind of imaginary, and some I believe were these sort of low depressions that would kind of flood in winter. But, that's it. We did a really quick, giant overview of lakes of Golden Gate Park. How did, how do you think it went? You liked it?

David: Yeah. Absolutely. I think we should do a lake walk in Golden Gate Park.

Woody: Ooh. Could we do that? That'd be a pretty long walk.

David: Well, we could do some part of it.

Woody: Maybe we'll do an east to the west.

David: Maybe in the summertime.

Woody: All right, all right, I'm gonna, I think that's not a bad idea. But David.

David: Yes, Woody.

Woody: Now it's time for Listener Mail.

[Music]

Woody: David, first of all, how can people contact us? How can they send us mail?

David: Don't tell anybody, Woody, but

Woody: Again?

David: Yeah, don't tell anybody outside of this room. Or this podcast. But you can just send an [00:22:00] email to podcast at outsidelands dot org and you can send it directly to us and we'll know it's about the podcast. If you're listening to the, if you're listening to the, to the podcast on the website, there should be a button that you can just click a form and fill it in. But if you're on a device or something and you are hot to send an email, send it to podcast at outsidelands dot org.

Woody: You're really worried about that email address getting out, huh?

David: Yeah, well, I don't want it

Woody: And misused.

David: I, I don't, I don't want to get any Viagra or any hair growth emails on that.

Woody: [Laughter]. Okay. David, Will McCullar wrote in to us, our longtime listener.

David: Yeah, well, he's been a supporter and a member for years and years.

Woody: I would think he would have noticed that we skipped a week, but maybe he, maybe he did but he was too polite to mention it, but he did write in and said hi Woody and David. He knows our names!

David: Yeah, but if there's one thing that people know about us, it's our names.

Woody: I really enjoyed your podcast about the 100 year [00:23:00] anniversary of the opening of the 2.27-mile-long Twin Peaks Tunnel. I think he's mentioning that because I had a, I have a habit of accidentally saying it's a 4-mile tunnel every now and then, but it's 2.27 miles.

David: That's why people have to listen to every podcast.

Woody: [Laughter] to get the facts.

David: Because we will correct the mistakes.

Woody: He says one tidbit of information I remember hearing years ago was at the time of its opening it was the longest tunnel of its kind in the world. [Laughter].

David: What? What kind, what kind is it?

Woody: Well, that's what I mean. I think we, there used to be this booster-ism and I, I told you, they said like the Forest Hill Station was the deepest subway station west of the Mississippi at the time.

David: I wanna tell you something, Woody.

Woody: Yeah.

David: The Outside Lands San Francisco podcast is the greatest podcast about San Francisco's west side done weekly.

Woody: Except for last week. [Laughter].

David: Except for last week, yeah.

Woody: As a Baby [00:24:00] Boomer living in the Parkside, he says, I, uh, I realized that most of us took the tunnel and streetcar lines for granted as the quickest way to go downtown. So it is interesting to hear the stories of the initial role the tunnel played in building our neighborhoods as the city's residents migrated west. Keep up the excellent work, guys. Will.

David: Will can really turn a phrase. We should have him as our guest.

Woody: I kind of feel like that should have been the description of our podcast.

David: Yeah.

Woody: We should send him the podcast before we put it up online and let him describe it.

David: We have so much time to do that.

Woody: All right. Well, let's let all the other people work. Go to iTunes and review us there. Send us mail. And we're just going to take all your phrases and excellent work and claim them as our own on our own podcast.

David: That's right.

Woody: You can do better than us.

David: It'll be an homage to you.

Woody: Thank you, Will. David, now it's time for events!

[Music].

David: Well, there's really only one real event.

Woody: What?

David: Coming up. Okay, there's a few.

Woody: C’mon.

David: There's a few events, but the big event! [00:25:00] It's coming up next week, if you're listening to this, uh, when it comes out, you know, which is, uh, 2018, next week, March 3rd and 4th

Woody: Yes.

David: 2018, Saturday and Sunday. It's the San Francisco History Days at the Old Mint, which is 5th and Mission Street. This is going to be like our 8th year.

Woody: Yeah. You're going to be there, right?

David: Yes.

Woody: So if people want to meet the real David Gallagher, they can come and meet you?

David: Yeah, they can.

Woody: Okay, great. We’ll have

David: They'll learn, they'll, we'll tear down the curtain and we'll see just how uncommunicative I actually am.

Woody: Yeah, so we'll have a table where David Gallagher will be there probably, or roaming around with exhibits about what we do. But the whole Mint will be full of other history groups, presentations, you and I are gonna do a presentation.

David: Yeah.

Woody: And, uh, exhibits and booksellers and all sorts of stuff, and it's free!

David: It's absolutely free, Yeah, I mean, and this is something if you're at all [00:26:00] interested in San Francisco history, and I will say that I think that the, that the presentation and all of the groups have expanded a little bit, so I would say it's almost all Bay Area history going on there because there's groups from all over.

Woody: Yeah, we've kind of expanded our purview, but it's still a really great event. It's 11 o'clock in the morning, it opens each day, goes to 5 o'clock on Saturday, four on Sunday. Um, you can go to sfhistorydays dot org.

David: Yeah.

Woody: Uh, or our website, outsidelands dot org, and read more about how to get there and what the program is and that sort of stuff. But just come. It's so, so much fun.

David: And we'll be there. Last year

Woody: Yeah?

David: Didn't we give a prize to people who said they listened to the podcast?

Woody: Yes.

David: Do you want to do that again this year?

Woody: Nah.

David: Sorry. Sorry. Sorry, listeners.

Woody: Maybe.

David: It would probably just be the same thing. But if you come and you find Woody or David—that's me – and tell us that you listen to the [00:27:00] podcast, maybe we'll have a prize for you.

Woody: Good information, David. Good information. Okay. Uh, you know, we have our new, uh, what I call Home for History, but our office or storefront or meeting hall on Balboa now, and, uh, we're going to have one of our events there. We're going to have OpenSFHistory Top 10 Images of the Month.

David: Doo doo doo!

Woody: The whole presentation on St. Patrick's Day, March 17th.

David: Is it gonna be about St. Patrick's Day?

Woody: No, but it might be an, there might be an Irish-themed photo or two in there. Um, Saturday, 11 o'clock, but! We have limited seating, so we're charging people 10 dollars.

David: Okay.

Woody: But that's only a dollar a photo.

David: Yeah.

Woody: So go to outsidelands dot org slash events and make your reservation to come visit us. That's a Saturday morning too, which is good for a lot of people.

David: 10 bucks is cheap, you know, and we have to pay the rent at the new place.

Woody: Yeah. Um, a little bit after that on March 22nd, which is a Thursday night, we're going to have Ron Jones, who [00:28:00] we've had on the podcast.

David: Yeah.

Woody: And we're going to show his movie. He did a whole, like, documentary slash poetry slam slash archival footage of the Sunset District

David: Wow.

Woody: Called Jitterbugging, and it's about his family growing up in the Sunset District.

David: Oh, neat!

Woody: Yeah, it's got old photos and home movies and, and

David: And he's gonna be there, right?

Woody: Yes, and the irrepressible Ron Jones will be there. So that's at 7 o'clock on Thursday, March 22nd. Again, 10 dollars, which is really cheap. And you can come and meet Ron Jones and see a great DVD about the Sunset District and his family.

David: Yeah. Can't wait for that one.

Woody: Yeah.

David: I mean, and that's true. I mean, and I said we were not going to have any events, but we are going to have events regularly

Woody: Yeah.

David: at Balboa, I mean, that's why we got that place and we're going to activate it.

Woody: Absolutely. So outsidelands dot org slash events, read more. We got lots of events coming up. And David, what else can someone do on outsidelands dot org?

David: Well, Woody, you may not know this, [00:29:00]

Woody: I do [laughter].

David: but you can become a member of the Western Neighborhoods Project. And the way you do that is you go to outsidelands dot org and you click the Become a Member link, which is at the top of every page. And it's, it's right under the big orange donate button. They're kind of the same thing.

Woody: Yeah.

David: but if you become a member, 50 dollars now, you get our snazzy magazine every quarter, you get to go to free member events and talks and walks and you get the satisfaction of knowing that you're supporting the story of your neighborhood.

Woody: That's good. You should just bottle that. You should just record that. We'll just play that at the end of every podcast.

David: We're recording this, so maybe I'll never have to say that again.

Woody: You did that really well. So, a preview for next week, David. Uh, we're going to visit some of Sutro's family.

David: Ahhhh.

Woody: Yeaaaaah. And we have a special guest, so I'll see you then.

David: Alright, Woody, I'll see ya. [00:30:00]

Ian Hadley: Outside Lands San Francisco is recorded by Ian Hadley. Content creation and media production at ihadley dot com.

Woody: To learn more about the Western Neighborhoods Project and more about San Francisco history, go to outsidelands dot org.

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